Message from @mattforney

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2019-10-13 21:13:52 UTC  

but they've also tried to steer a moderate course in thawing things with Russia

2019-10-13 21:14:01 UTC  

the UNM will be far more belligerent

2019-10-13 21:15:16 UTC  

I see, it's all about its value as a piece vs Russia

2019-10-13 21:15:56 UTC  

Their biggest problem though is the siren song of "western lifestyle "

2019-10-13 21:16:02 UTC  

yeah the incumbent party is basically trying to acknowledge reality

2019-10-13 21:16:16 UTC  

Russia is Georgia's largest trading partner, it's biggest source of tourists

2019-10-13 21:16:32 UTC  

Putin's flight ban was a massive blow to the economy and the government will get blamed for the lari's collapse

2019-10-13 21:17:17 UTC  

WizzAir won't keep them afloat, huh?

2019-10-13 21:17:55 UTC  

nah there's no way that Georgia can make up the difference with European and American tourism

2019-10-13 21:18:03 UTC  

Georgia is cheap but it's also far out of the way

2019-10-13 21:18:08 UTC  

not really on anyone's radar

2019-10-13 21:18:54 UTC  

It is really just a small place up in the hills next to Russia

2019-10-13 21:19:03 UTC  

Armenia is also trying to eat their lunch with similar anti-corruption reforms

2019-10-13 21:19:22 UTC  

streamlining the bureaucracy, getting rid of pointless laws

2019-10-13 21:19:43 UTC  

so Georgia's selling point of being a good place to do business will also recede

2019-10-13 21:20:44 UTC  

So their future is pretty much being something like Bosnia?

2019-10-13 21:20:45 UTC  

my estimation is that Georgian Dream (the incumbent party) will remain the largest party but all the opposition parties they fucked over in the past decade will gang up on them in a coalition

2019-10-13 21:20:58 UTC  

Bosnia without the ethnic conflict I guess

2019-10-13 21:21:09 UTC  

more like Serbia

2019-10-13 21:21:21 UTC  

a vacant parking lot used by all the derelicts in the neighborhood

2019-10-13 21:22:00 UTC  

honestly they've done a good job as far as governance

2019-10-13 21:22:20 UTC  

they didn't fuck with Saakashvili's good reforms, aside from overhauling the healthcare system

2019-10-13 21:22:34 UTC  

their main problem is the flight ban

2019-10-13 21:22:44 UTC  

Why did it happen?

2019-10-13 21:23:19 UTC  

the anti-government riots over the summer led Putin to ban flights as a security measure

2019-10-13 21:23:35 UTC  

it's a way of forcing the Georgians to shit or get off the pot

2019-10-13 21:23:44 UTC  

clearly declare their allegiance to Russia or the U.S.

2019-10-13 21:24:15 UTC  

the government dithered as long as they could and then picked the U.S. in the most weaselly, noncommittal way possible

2019-10-13 21:24:18 UTC  

pleasing no one

2019-10-13 21:25:04 UTC  

Oh, so they half-assed the entire thing and lost on both sides

2019-10-13 21:25:25 UTC  

exactly

2019-10-13 21:26:01 UTC  

and despite being an "illiberal," "authoritarian" government in the mold of Fidesz, every time the opposition sneezes they run to offer them a Kleenex and some cough drops

2019-10-13 21:26:46 UTC  

a big part of the problem is that Georgian Dream aren't really ideological and are just a bunch of cowardly civil servants and oligarchs

2019-10-13 21:26:55 UTC  

they want to keep skimming off the top and avoid serious issues

2019-10-13 21:27:47 UTC  

during the presidential election last year, Bidzina Ivanishvili (the capo of Georgian Dream), used one of his charitable foundations to buy up the debts of 400,000 people

2019-10-13 21:28:02 UTC  

which is a big number (the pop is only about 3 million)

2019-10-13 21:28:13 UTC  

Doesn't that raise questions?

2019-10-13 21:28:18 UTC  

it was a last ditch effort to win the election since the government candidate and UNM's candidate were tied

2019-10-13 21:29:04 UTC  

it raised questions but not enough for people to care because Salome Zurabishvili (the Georgian Dream candidate) ended up winning

2019-10-13 21:29:09 UTC  

she's a doofus

2019-10-13 21:29:20 UTC  

an expatriate who speaks Georgian in a French accent