Message from @ophiuchus

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2018-11-11 03:35:53 UTC  

I think the first immigrants were not typical anglos. Nor were the other peoples who followed.

2018-11-11 03:35:54 UTC  

We should pretty much just knock immigration down as much as possible. I'd pretty much only be mostly fine with it if its the (European) spouses of Americans. My point with this is that this country, for a very long time, was heading toward the ethnogenesis of a new European people in North America- Americans. This was severely taken off the rails in the later half of the 19th century and all of the 20th.

2018-11-11 03:36:13 UTC  

Don't agree with zero immigration. Don't mind some immigrants, as long as it's not a lot and they're heavily vetted and compatible with the society. It's interesting meeting foreign people but they shouldn't stay here unless they are like us, at least, like us enough to assimilate and not destroy us in the process (so white people of similar culture).

2018-11-11 03:36:21 UTC  

White American is definitely its own group.

2018-11-11 03:37:02 UTC  

Honestly, I think I could be incredibly useful to this movement largely due to my own status as a child of immigrants. It can be a huge confidence boost to have someone who is a child of immigrants himself tell you that immigration isn't good.

2018-11-11 03:37:22 UTC  

@Alexander Pechorinit is and the US was populated by people with not just a certain nationality but a particular spirit to go along with it.

2018-11-11 03:37:28 UTC  

I have no qualms at all with the European people who are already here- even those as recent as @Jacob despite being descended from people who came here on the Mayflower. Our ultimate destiny lies in our conceptualization of ourselves as a European people in our own right- not merely Europeans with an American zip code.

2018-11-11 03:37:28 UTC  

I rarely bother with these conversations though since it really doesn't matter right now. We're not in a position to put any policies into practice so generally I don't participate in such discussions.

2018-11-11 03:37:41 UTC  

They don't care because your parents are white @Jacob

2018-11-11 03:37:59 UTC  

"Immigrants" are just a proxy issue meaning POC

2018-11-11 03:38:14 UTC  

@Josh M. -OH yes. And it selected for certain traits over the long term.

2018-11-11 03:38:44 UTC  

@sigruna14 It's important to figure out what our values are. I think this topic does need to be discussed. That being said, we shouldn't let it get too divisive. But I think it's fine right now.

2018-11-11 03:38:56 UTC  

@Sam Southern - TN We aren't an Anglo nation though. English Americans at best make up 15% of the country and most of them are mixed with several different Euro ethnicities. The largest Euro groups in America aren't English.

2018-11-11 03:39:29 UTC  

English Americans make up far more than 15% of the country. Ethnic data is self-reported, and honestly incredibly misleading.

2018-11-11 03:39:31 UTC  

The Founding stock of the nation is Anglo, what it was perverted into after floods of immigrants is indeed a different group. @Virgil

2018-11-11 03:39:44 UTC  

What language are we speaking again? The root and extant core of American whiteness is Englishness

2018-11-11 03:39:54 UTC  

It's very very common for people who are 1/8 Irish, or 1/8 German, to simply identify as that in totality.

2018-11-11 03:40:13 UTC  

@Ald People who are really far left might not care, but it could be a useful nudge

2018-11-11 03:40:55 UTC  

This is an Anglo nation because it was created and defined by Anglos. Everyone else came later after the framework was already built.

2018-11-11 03:41:03 UTC  

@Virgil Wait are you Slavic?

2018-11-11 03:41:06 UTC  

It's considered "more distinctive," more interesting- this is notable as a distinction from something, that being from "British," which is considered uninteresting by virtue of its commonality ubiquity.

2018-11-11 03:41:12 UTC  

American founders were at least a different breed of Anglo. It took a lot to get on that boat. Much of the founding fathers views were against what was considered "anglo" at the time.

2018-11-11 03:41:30 UTC  

Yes ^’

2018-11-11 03:41:34 UTC  

They were defending their rights as Englishmen. That's why they rebelled.

2018-11-11 03:41:39 UTC  

If your ancestors were here before 1900 it's going to be pretty difficult for you to not find a single Englishman in your lineage.

2018-11-11 03:41:53 UTC  

@Jacob yes

2018-11-11 03:42:05 UTC  

Half of American population is still descended from people around during the Revolution

2018-11-11 03:42:57 UTC  

Identifying as "English" is uncommon on a census because it's 1) "not interesting" and 2) many of the English in this country have been here for hundreds of years. It's so distant as to be almost meaningless- for the point of contrasting.

2018-11-11 03:43:00 UTC  

Okay guys listen closely

As a child of immigrants, I give you permission to be as anti-immigration as you want.

Also, I was an anchor baby, and I'm giving you permission to say "anchor baby"

It's like those n-cards that your black friends give you

2018-11-11 03:43:09 UTC  

The unique pull of adventure to the new world and the lack of welfare drew a certain kind of European here!

2018-11-11 03:43:49 UTC  

Keep in mind this is a country of *settlers* not immigrants

2018-11-11 03:43:53 UTC  

Faustian spirit

2018-11-11 03:44:01 UTC  

Good example, my father is completely gung-ho about Irish stuff despite being only 1/4 Irish.

2018-11-11 03:44:05 UTC  

Settlers build something new. Immigrants just take advantage of stuff other people already made.

2018-11-11 03:44:05 UTC  

@VinceChaos European roots, American greatness!

2018-11-11 03:44:06 UTC  

My roommate with a mother who has an English accent didn’t consider English to be an ethnicity <:sad:366743316475281408>

2018-11-11 03:44:09 UTC  

It upsets my mom a bit that I identify as Anglo-American and don't snowflake about the recent Swedish component

2018-11-11 03:44:13 UTC  

Yes. I hate the term “Native American.” I’m the Native. My ancestors created America.

2018-11-11 03:44:36 UTC  

Amerindian is the correct term

2018-11-11 03:44:37 UTC  

Englishness is still normative Americanness to the point whites with anything else pick that out

2018-11-11 03:44:41 UTC  

Cause it's special