We have a LOT of trouble between closures and the company is extremely resistant to cable replacement because of the iternal rate of return in areas that don't have internet service

They've essentially told us that they're done replacing our cables and if we need to bypass anything we need to consider aerial service wires and as a last resort buried service wire

Yeah...DROPS in lieu of actual cable. The most advanced network in the nation is held together by drop wire and hopes and dreams

ok, that fits what I said earlier then, they see it as cash cow, they just want to take out as much money as they can and let it detoriate

you guys also lay fiber?

I mean you have to really, right?

We have fiber here but it's not for residential use. it's mostly business fiber and what runs the internet service

you'll probably have to lay some more for the 5G base stations

That part was done earlier this year, tbh. We've got fiber to the towers and we're adding more towers to the area but they haven't turned up 5G yet

your company also pretends to be a "tech" company like so many telcos do?

Naturally!

lol

They claim to be whatever they want as it suits them and we're just caught in the middle. There's a LOT of people 'above' (I actually make more than most first level mgrs) my pay grade working hard to justify their jobs...the tech expectations is a 16 page document stuffed to the brim with farts and whimsy that frequently contradicts itself.

would seem fairly simply, look what the big manufacturers like Huawei, Ericsson, Nokia etc. have to offer, do a market analysis of how many people you can cover and what demography lives there for an indicator of their interest in increased service performance, then depending on that you buy the stuff or not, and have the janitors do the cabling, plus some IT or telco engineer set up device configuration according to the manufacturers manuals, though I'm a lay person so what do I know 🤷

Oh hell NAW! You're trying to use logic and reason. We're talking about a corporation here, my man!

I guess you guys have some expensive equipment in the field

like for reading the eye diagram of the digital transmissions

those are usually costly

Not really in this market...the vast majority of our Xboxes are just big copper splice points...that's about it.

I mean we do have a good number of pair gain systems but they ONLY push phone through them

ah ok, I used to work with that stuff, when I was still in a communication engineering company, I developed on FPGAs, like implementing Modulators and error correction for RF transmission

DSL uses DMT, which is basically several QAMs in a OFDM, and then they have a feedback between Modem and DSLAM to adjust bandwidth on different channels for a given wire to minimize overspeak

I'm not at that level of implementation...I'm largely only involved in transmission. Anyway, did you know that ADSL will work on half a phone line?

but I never worked in DSL myself

IPDSL however shits the bed if you merely look at it wrong

I haven't heard of IPDSL

is that some sort of brand name in the US?

ah seems to be AT&T specific naming

IP-based DSL? To my understanding this is the standard name for the next generation of DSL

ah ok

can you explain it?

ah I found it, IPDSL is ADSL 2 +, double play only

which is the ITU-T G.992.5 standard

Somewhat...A (asynchronus) DSL doesn't use matching bitstreams for data transmission where IPDSL does. To make matters worse IPDSL can be installed using a bonded pair profile so now you not only have one pair of cables in sychrony but FOUR...bonded pair, in this market, is the bane of my existence because I've yet to find two pair of phone lines that are similar in quality

So we do what we can

ah ok

what speeds do you guys assure the customer of with IPDSL?

So check this out...in our single pair markets 18 Mbps is the absolute fastest we can provide and only if you live within 5k ft of the central office

I had an opportunity to work in a more developed market (i.e. big city) a couple of years back and our full fiber installs were getting 1000 Mbps

yeah the theoretical max for IPDSL is 24 Mbit/s so 18 Mbit/s seems to be close to what is practically achievable with that technology

Alright, bud...good chat. I've gotta get to the 'office' now. I'm neurotic about being on time so I leave 50 minutes early to drive six miles