@⚡Clark⚡ American race blind civic nationalism is a late 20th century concept, that would,be completely alien to most Americans throughout 90% of American history. It's an aesthetic change not idealogical. Good understandable and relatable aesthetics are essential for any political movement or organization

@Virgil but it’s not alien to the current state, which is what is relevant. Our impact that we have, and our efforts to change the discourse about white Identity would be severely handicapped if we were vague in our name.

Changing our name at this point I disagree with immensely. We’re established at the level of causing international outrage as “Identity Evropa” with the Mexican consulate thing like Mrs said. IE has heft. Changing our name isn’t a good call imo

@ThisIsChris It's actually surprising how little people care. Everyone who knows me well knows what I believe and I don't get a lot of push back.

You would be sacrificing the zing of our organization to be more palatable in an area that shouldn’t b compromised

People would see past the name change

No one is gonna say "oh Identity America? ya they're super moderate unlike that evropa group that has nothing to do with them"

Exactly. It would only be seen as cucking, and not in a good optics way. If you change your name to a term that’s civic nationalist, what do you even stand for?

When IE first came out, there were plenty of articles identifying us as the successor of National Youth Front. They don't talk about it anymore because they have better things to smear us with, but it's not a secret that we came out of NYF. Anyone can find this information on Google.

I already decided, if we change our name to Identity America, I am photoshipping Patrick's face in every fortnite dance in history.

I'm not messing around.

So you already did it once lol?

Lol. "once"

This is how you get stuff done, gentlemen.

@⚡Clark⚡ It isn't vague though, if anything it's less vague than Identity Evropa.

Europe is pretty specific. America is a continent

What is vague about Identity Evropa? Literally just a fancy way of sayin Identity white people @Virgil

How is a civic nationalist term less vague?

@Virgil I get that WN 1.0 sullied the term in the 90s. My point was that I had no knowledge of that when I entered the movement, so the term was not sullied to me. I can't be the only person for whom this is true. Not saying we should call ourselves WN, just that to a lot of young normies the term doesn't invoke the images it does to older people and political obsessives like us and hardcore leftists.

I'm in my public speaking class right now and this white girl is talking about how important black women empowerment is

There's nothing civic nationalist about saying "American Identity"

Americans had a unique identity rooted in European values up until WWII

Most people don't know that

@Jacob they *do* have to be both a mom and a dad.

@tsea American Identity has successfully been transformed into a civic nationalism Identity, in the current state. What is how something used to be, 70 years ago, relevant today?

@Jacob "I'm in my public speaking class right now and this white girl is talking about how important black women empowerment is" What's her argument?

I joined IE after seeing the posters two years ago and I immediately got it. If I saw some posters about how cool America is, I'd have been like "eh, another civnat group" and kept on walking.

@⚡Clark⚡ because the core of America (white America) still has that identity

Furthermore with a more normie friendly name we can conduct business much more easily. Venues will be much less suspicious of us if we had an optical name. Plus it would be symbolic of the normalization of our organization

Most people think history started at WWII and that we fought that war to save Holocaust victims.

@ThisIsChris She doesn't have an argument, she's just giving a speech on some black actress and her support of black women empowerment was mentioned as one thing that's cool about her

@missliterallywho I want to take back the term "white nationalist" some day but I see why we shouldn't use it now

@Jacob same

I don't want to be an "identitarian" forever. Deep down we know it's an artificial label. But it's the best we have right now.

@missliterallywho "Most people think history started at WWII and that we fought that war to save Holocaust victims." That's a favorable narrative to us. I've trolled jews on reddit and twitter asking if they're ever going to thanks whites for giving their lives for them

@⚡Clark⚡ "You misspelled Europe" "What's up with the v?" "What's evropa?" Look at our twitter comments from time to time

@Jacob oh ok. Well so long as she's pro-black but not anti-white that's cool.

Getting a normie friendly name won't change much once ADL, SPLC et al jump on it and make sure everyone knows we're still us

@ThisIsChris this, anytime people say whites need to pay for the Holocaust i tell them we lost half a million men fighting the perpetrators of the Holocaust

V is *aesthetic*

"it's important to stand up for what you believe in but it's also important to understand both sides" okay this girl said something based and redpilled