Message from @Jenjen

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2021-01-15 19:00:39 UTC  

We can not save someone but we can still tell them about the Gospile and if they accept Christ lead them in the faith.

2021-01-15 19:00:50 UTC  

You can either choose to begin your life in heaven here on earth now, or you can choose to begin your life in hell here now. Even with the suffering (and no one knows the depths suffering more than Christ) , there is still the goodness of God in all creation if you look for Him.

2021-01-15 19:01:24 UTC  

A painful purpose we didnt really sign up for at birth.

2021-01-15 19:01:44 UTC  

You can thank Adam for that when you@see him

2021-01-15 19:01:54 UTC  

We all made the decision to sin and thus deserve the punishment of hell.

2021-01-15 19:01:59 UTC  

The suffering is a gift as well

2021-01-15 19:02:20 UTC  

"I will not judge the sins of the father on the son."

2021-01-15 19:02:26 UTC  

God teaches us so much through suffering

2021-01-15 19:02:42 UTC  

Yes

2021-01-15 19:02:53 UTC  

We are stained with Original Sin from conception.

2021-01-15 19:03:00 UTC  

I know I have been for the last 13 years.

2021-01-15 19:04:04 UTC  

All of creation has been couropted by sin, only after death will be be purified.

2021-01-15 19:04:26 UTC  

Yes we established that

2021-01-15 19:04:47 UTC  

Washed away at baptism but the wound is still there and Concupiscence

2021-01-15 19:05:24 UTC  

Baptism by itself doesn’t save you

2021-01-15 19:05:44 UTC  

Make a habit of writing out each day ten things you are grateful for. That is how I started after hitting rock bottom.

2021-01-15 19:06:00 UTC  

Baptism is only to show what is inside after you accepted Christ

2021-01-15 19:06:18 UTC  

You have to accept Jesus into your heart and acknowledge he is the son of God and he died for the sins of humanity

2021-01-15 19:06:46 UTC  

What about people who haven’t reached the age of reason?

2021-01-15 19:07:17 UTC  

Then god should block conception

2021-01-15 19:07:40 UTC  

That’s what we call “the culture of death”

2021-01-15 19:08:20 UTC  

I’m going to see what the Bible says about it I’ll brb

2021-01-15 19:09:01 UTC  

Baptism is a Sacrament. An official sign from God

2021-01-15 19:10:24 UTC  

He does, we call that "still-birth". "Mechanically" amen and awoman can reproduce,, but without God's stamp of approval, it won't have life.

2021-01-15 19:11:16 UTC  

Yeah... no

2021-01-15 19:11:28 UTC  

thats speculation completely there

2021-01-15 19:12:00 UTC  

The bible says children who cannot decide will be saved out of mercy

2021-01-15 19:12:14 UTC  

thus kids who die durring birth are saved

2021-01-15 19:14:46 UTC  

In Romans 1:20 Paul describes recipients of general revelation as being “without excuse.” They can’t blame their unbelief on a lack of evidence. There is sufficient revelation of God’s existence in the natural order to establish the moral accountability of all who witness it. Might this imply that those who are not recipients of general revelation (i.e., infants) are therefore not accountable to God or subject to wrath? In other words, wouldn’t those who die in infancy have an “excuse” in that they neither receive general revelation nor have the capacity to respond to it?

2021-01-15 19:48:43 UTC  

I wasn't attacking any though

2021-01-15 19:49:12 UTC  

You were talking about how it's not valid

2021-01-15 19:49:23 UTC  

How the pope was worshipped and stuff

2021-01-15 19:50:27 UTC  

All i said for any one to read beware what teaching you hear thats all

2021-01-15 20:01:58 UTC  

From the moment of conception, the soul is infused into the body. That soul is immortal and belongs to God. It is possible for a person who has never known the public revelation of Christ to fall into sin: that is by breaking what is called the Natural Law. The normal conscience (right/wrong) that all people possess. So I guess I’m trying to say the same thing a different way. Yes, they have an excuse. But they still would have to come to God with that stain of Original Sin to account for if they were not baptized.

2021-01-15 20:03:03 UTC  

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2021-01-15 20:03:05 UTC  

But we hope and trust in His Divine Mercy that he would take pity on them

2021-01-15 20:07:25 UTC  

That quote is also interesting— it can be taken at face value, but Jesus was speaking with just his disciples at that point, and not to the crowd. So what he means is that there will be a very bad place to go for the shepherd who forbids “the little ones”, the sheep to come to Him.

2021-01-15 20:08:40 UTC  

It’s a strong warning for all those who have authority in the church.

2021-01-15 20:15:05 UTC  

Do babies go to heaven?...the verse says that heaven belongs to children. So it's an *ipso facto* conclusion as babies fall under the category of the "little ones" (children).

2021-01-15 20:15:46 UTC  

i'd assume so

2021-01-15 20:18:18 UTC  

Not arguing, just saying that the Bible is read from multiple layers: there is the first layer which is face value, but then there layers underneath that are very fascinating and beautiful.