It’s disgusting what they have to pay.

To the state.

So I pay them more. Then they have to give even more. And for what benefits?

If you don't think that in a system of unfettered Capitalism, the people willing to do anything to make a buck won't rise to the top, you're sorely mistaken

See robber barons

Obamacare is a horrible system, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have state healthcare

I've always thought the state ought to provide value in order to earn its funding. Taxes being taken at the proverbial point of a gun don't sit right with me. I'd like to see the state compete economically somehow and earn its pay.

The “Robber Barons” used government pull to regulate outsiders.

The only railroad that didn’t go bankrupt was James Hill, who took no government money.

The fact is, poor people will end up with bills they can't pay, while the business elite gets rich while taking advantage of state help

And H1B1 visas are state sanctioned indentured servitude. They are more competitive because the company owns their right to work in the country. If they leave the company, they get kicked out. So they have to work for less money.

should be able to vote on your tax allocations

How did they get to the point of vast enough wealth to influence one of the most powerful nations in the world in the first place, of not by slitting throats?

Hahahah this is hilarious. https://youtu.be/pZk6ia1vFAc

I didn’t slit any throats 😉

And you're not rich

Corporations will generally do whatever maximizes their profits and minimizes expenses, even if that is harmful to the public. I would not trust big business to be totally deregulated.

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They also build that capital using the power of the state

Which is why they should be forced to give something back

That's why they hire illegals for $3/h to work the farms

Lobbying has stupid high ROI

How much should they “give back?” What did they “take” to begin with?

My company pays millions in taxes every year as it is.

We hav a 500k bill coming up in December just because of the inventory we have on shelf.

You're subsidizing larger businesses because they got to the top through shady means, and then used their influence to screw you

I think I’m subsidizing browns mostly.

That too

There's more than 1 problem in America

They use the power of the state to provide security to protect capital and to help them build distribution networks. They would have nothing without the state. They should give back whatever is necessary to ensure a good standard of living for the workers while still keeping the business productive.

Getting rid of browns doesn't solve everything

Employing people now is expensive. It costs me so much money to hire someone.

There's a reason Amazon exists in the US and not in Somalia. The state here is better.

Before we even discuss their salary.

All because of the regulatory climate.

Because you're competing with people who hire illegals, who lobbied the government for their ability to do so, to gain advantage over your business

I'm not a full commie who is gonna say that corporations commit theft or whatever. Plenty of businessmen are good guys.

I would rather take away their right to lobby than regulate myself even more.

Regulations on hiring illegals have hidden implications

We were sued once by the state because we accidentally hired one who had all the valid paperwork and passed a background check.

I agree — don;t hire them. But law has unintended consequences.