A gamer has no higher loyalty

Sounds like @missliterallywho's takin' the Curt Doolittle pill 😎 https://propertarianism.com/2018/08/24/revolution-never-has-an-empire-been-more-fragile/

I play Minecraft to get in touch with my ancestors while gaming

I mean is selective breeding like we have done with domestic animals to manipulate genes immoral?

The debate was dying down

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From a biblical perspective I don't see how you could make the argument.

Friendship kills debates
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Well I'm not beholden to a biblical perspective personally

If I was I'd be with you on that

@Bjorn - MD haven't read him in a long time but I'll definitely check out that link, thanks!

Whats to stop a team of people from going to some unregulated country in the middle of nowhere and making designer babies?

That's fine, but if it is a moral question what is your moral basis?

Why would designer babies be bad?

@Sam Anderson huh interesting

That is what selective breeding is

because apparently we wont know when to stop @MrBland - VA

I guess we'd have to regulate it really good

Honestly I don't have a single doctrine I derive my morals from, I'd guess it's mostly coming from a civic morality to ensure the health and security of my people

Selective breeding has inherent limits that gene editing does not

The diverse now demand access to the pale. Even if the pale find some way to carve out their own places, but remain within the law, the diverse will find some way to force their way inside. In other words, the Danegeld of the Civil Rights Movement, which was affirmative action, was not enough. It turns out Kipling was right about the Danegeld. Once you have paid the diverse, you never get rid of the diverse. FROM https://thezman.com/wordpress/

Selective breeding is a fantastic start

So the "good of the people" idea @Kingfish

@missliterallywho No prob, lol. Remember, NazLud (National Ludditism) is the final red pill <:usinnoodle:420778112226164736>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC6Z_kdQoHw

In my opinion yes for the most part

selective breeding can't compete with gene editing

The world is so good at sticking to treaties and agreements, I'm sure everyone would abide by regulations on gene editing <:really:453005408064241674>

I think spirituality or religion is a powerful way to ensure these values in an intangible, socially cohesive concept, but they come from the society itself

My biggest complaint with "civic morality" is it's subjective nature.

Yes its subjective

That's why most societies have different ones

@Bjorn - MD I am a passive Luddite, patiently waiting for the inevitable 🙏

What is good for the people will vary quite a bit from person to person

Sure

I prefer an objective morality.

And there will be times when the people are wrong

Well objective is rather debatable isn't it 😉

And then of course I'm biased by my view of the truth of the world.

We haven't yet mentioned that gene editing would have a huge barrier to entry 💰 💰 💰

Yeah that's fine, id argue your view is a pretty important one and has served our people well

We Europeans are molded by Europe. Europe gave us intellect and ambition. Gene editing is simply an extension of Europe’s nature, not contrary to it.