Italian and Irish weren’t welcomed with open arms lmao

yeah it looks like its going to be a great time

When do liberals like to bring that up? @Jacob

"But what you're saying is the same thing they said about the Irish and Italians and that ended fine"

*Did* it end fine?

More conventionally and despite it's neo-liberal and self destructive core, EU proves the ability for mutual cooperation. (It sucks but it's better than nearly all attempts historically)

@Jacob liberals bring up that point with you? When they say we're a nation of immigrants in my experience, it's always not talking into account they're all white immigrants.

I've definitely heard that quote

That’s more Europe being ruled over by international elites and not a collaboration of national states working together

An EU in concept isn't bad at all, it's current shepherds just hate us lol.

@Jacob they assimilated well because they were European

@Jacob I mean overall yeah it turned out okay. Italian American culture is a very unique and rich one which I personally really like. Same with Irish American. They’ll never quite be one or the other though

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@⚡Clark⚡ @Kingfish I mean, sure, now, a century later it turned out fine. But I feel like the fact that any time there's high levels of immigration in American history, there's always anti-immigrant sentiment, it kinda begs the question of what the common variable is.

https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2018/08/07/the-myth-of-european-assimilation/

Also this might be worth reading

Sean Last admittedly has some pretty bad takes sometimes, but this is an interesting article

@Jacob naturally, different culture will clash. However the response to the aforementioned liberal argument that “Italians an Irish assimilated, why not everyone else?” Is that because they were white

@Virgil hell yeah

@⚡Clark⚡ I'm not so much discussing how to respond to the argument, I'm more discussion the fact the premise is wrong in the first place

I think the premise is quite accurate. Italians, Irish, and similar immigrant groups are very much so assimilated

to the anglo culture or to what

To mid-to late 20th century consumerist culture that has since dominated America

yikes

I want to say American culture, because even American Anglo culture is not exactly "Anglo". It's American.

it is distinctly Anglo though. the roots of "American" culture are Anglo

Wasp didnt like ethnic neighborhoods.

ethnic neighborhoods don't assimilate, so that makes sense

@Deleted User I think a better question to ask is what what the immediate effect was. People of Italian heritage life @Kingfish are fine members of American society, but the question is do we want a constant inflow of new people.

No

Moving black populations around in order to break up ethnic neighborhoods was tactic used by the WASP elite and jews.

Naturally no, cause we're practically not even a country if we have no stock

Unless European*** and the country can handle it

@Kingfish why on earth would any Anglo ever want to work w you lol