I get that nuance exists, but, I mean, it's like saying "we gotta be more nuanced about Atomwaffen"

@reactionarytree I haven’t seen you in a while.

Of course that is how Russia behaves. The real question is who do you side with: somewhat trad, somewhat nationalist Russia or globo-homo tranny jew dicks with big macs USA

@Jacob yes, if Atomwaffen was a brigade-sized military unit that’s part of a country’s official military

One day in the future history students will be so confused by all of this, and probably just conclude it was a game of thrones style cluster

@Kingfish That's true. So, logically, it would make sense for Ukrainian nationalists to seek improved relations with Russia rather than this cringy "fashy Ukraine" that just pisses off everyone.

It doesn't even matter whether Azov and their allies are based or not The Western powers could topple that shit easy if they don't have Russia propping them up

Azov can form a giant brigade bc they got all that CIA-Mossad money.

@Alex Kolchak - NY this but unironically

@Jacob plenty of reasons for Ukrainians to be upset with Russia

normal ones, not just these CIA-Mossad Ukrainians I keep hearing about

You can be upset, but glorifying people with Bandera and intentionally cutting trade relations is just dumb

USA just wants to use Azov to get a foothold in the region to prevent Russia and Europe from uniting to fight against globalism

i don't get what's wrong w bandera? he is condemned by Jews and the European parliament, those are two groups I wouldn't be against condemning people that we stand with lol

@reactionarytree That's an oversimplification of events, the Kremlin's ideology primarily revolves around enriching the elites that are a part of it, if the Russian populace would let the Kremlin get away with it, they'd be promoting globohomo just as vehemently as the West. Based Putin and nationalist Kremlin are memes and fairly far from the truth.

looks like dude just tried and failed and tried and failed to create an independent Ukraine

UPA ethnically cleansed Polaks, and the story actually makes sense, unlike some other genocides in history

why would that change ukranian views on the guy

these perfidious Russian oligarchs were those who sold out the Russian people following perestroika reforms

If it was 100% certain that an independent Ukraine would be right wing and ally with other European right wing states to fight the globalists I'd support it. Fact of the matter is that's less likely than Russia utilizing a propped up Ukraine to do it instead

they sold out Russia to the West

@reactionarytree some of the oligarchs were forced out by Putin, others were integrated into the regime

andrew jackson "ethnically cleansed" the amerindians from america, i love the dude,he's my favorite president. him being a part of some boo hoo "ethnic cleansing" doesn't mean dick to my opinion of him

Well, even from a self interest perspective, it's not very smart to glorify some guy whose army went around murdering civilians

@Nemets oh god

yes, Putin is not backed by the oligarchs. they are not a monolith in Russia. Putin has played hardball with them

@Nemets aren't they left?

James K. Polk was best

@reactionarytree again, some of them. Plenty of oligarchs and special interests still around in Russia. Usually at the people's expense

Andrew Jackson didn't arbitrarily kill them, he negotiated separation between groups so they stop fighting. He was objectively a good guy. @Sam Southern - TN

Doesn't the majority of that block basically want to ally the west though

Furthermore the Kremlin is flooding Russia with cheap central Asian Muslim labor, at the expense of the ethnic Russian tax payer. So is Putin even a quasi-nationalist in practice?

Who would win out though

I'd support an Intermarium it's just unlikely

@Kingfish Yes, these "nationalists" are nationalists in name only. They literally supported pro-EU protests lmao.

and the west could topple a single ukraine anyway

at the end of the day, you have to pick a side: USA or Russia. USA has made it explicitly clear they would like to destroy people like us. and the notion of us vs the world is fantasy

I support Russia propping it up because it seems to be the most likely and secure strategy for fighting our enemies

@reactionarytree you are aware that you live in this country and are kind of stuck with it for the time being?

a more powerful Russia is a less powerful European Union and NATO

Azov is so based that due to the coup they supported, you're more likely to die of starvation in Ukraine than Libya