We don't need to get involved. We don't need to support the current European government. We withdraw and the entire house of cards caves on itself

@Virgil Under Yanukovych Ukraine didn't do reckless things like cut trade relations with and sanction their biggest trade partner. And Maidan was pro-EU from the beginning.

Capitalism, or Corperatism my dude? Both are very different @reactionarytree

@reactionarytree wait are you shit posting tho

whatever you want to call this system, it doesnt matter: its going to fail

Corporatism is good if you know the actual definition

the actual name and what it is matters lol

Capitalism is largely what led us to where we are today

"capitalism" as austrian economists imagine it is just an abstraction that is fake and gay.

@Jacob And? The EU is really no worse than the Kremlin that Yanukovych supported.

Corporatism - it depends on whose definition of it

Well yes under the weight of low I.Q third workers, any system will run poorly. However, even if the people are amazing and intelligent, there are government types that will only hinder the people's progress.

If you mean it in its original sense, as described by fascists

Capitalism isn't the problem. It's idiots that will. Do whatever it takes to make a buck and market themselves to whoever will pay them that's an issue. They're essentially well paid whores

@reactionarytree Machiavelli pointed out that the Italians who wanted the Spainards, Swiss, French, or Papal States to crush their rivals ended up being the little poodles of the outside power that they had courted. This all sounds too similar for my liking.

Russia as a Capitalist society is doing a lot better now than it was under Communism. They no longer need to steal blue prints to make decent technology

@Virgil Is it? EU imposes refugee quotas on countries. Russia doesn't. And the standard of living objectively dopped after Maidan.

the Soviet Union put the first man in space, invented the AK47 and the cell phone

they went from a peasant economy to world superpower in 50 years

thats impressive

@reactionarytree by killing all of the rich people

@reactionarytree The USSR stole the entire space shuttle from the U.S, the AK47 was a knock off of the Stuemgewehre mp44

but ebil capitalism

lmao capitalism is definitely the problem

Under capitalism corporations take advantage of state power to maintain and grow capital without having to give back much to their community.

Also, this ideology of constant blind economic growth is exactly what leads to things like H1B visas

Dude 3% of the population had cars in 1960 while the U.S had over 50% of its populace with cars

@reactionarytree What is your alternative to Capitalism?

the future is NAZBOL

Capitalism is fine

@reactionarytree also the USSR has it's populace Starve the entire time, even after they finally got the proper intake of calories

capitalism with restrictions is completely fine ffs

It's quite literally international greed that's an issue

@reactionarytree Bro, you are being ridonkulas

Im pretty sure it's the Jews

time to go J-walking

@reactionarytree It's also worth mentioning that the Soviet Union went from a 51% literacy rate to a 100% literacy rate, life expectancy of like 30 to 70 from the Russian Empire, and drastically reduced infant mortality

wealth is sin😤☦️

@Jacob The Kremlin has had Russia is flooded with central asian migrants and Ukrainian living weren't high at all under Yanukovych. Furthermore, in a time of desperation an apolitical self centered oligarch was elected. Ukrainian nationalists should be running Ukraine, not oligarchs.

I'm taking the crayon eater's word on the quality of the weaponry question

well ok, 30 to 70 is a bit of a stretch

your entire country and way of life is being hollowed out by capitalism and yet you all still feel the need to defend it