With leadership like this Im not interested in this group. James clearly has personal issues. I dont think anyone in my age cohort who grew up in any diverse non middle america area doesnt. I refuse to be complicit or participate in a group that throws our own men under the bus because they arent deemed _defensible_. I cannot trust the leadership of a group who would do this. I cannot in good faith give my money to a group of leaders who I do not think will watch out for my best interests or the interest of folks similar to me. I cannot stand by and participate in a group who believes that they are above one of our men who is clearly in his time of need & has been attacked & railroaded viciously by the system as a message to us as a whole because he, at a young age, without proper guidance & with a system that has proactively attacked him his entire life, has some personal issues he has not worked out on his own at the ripe old age of 20. @Papa Pizzagate thats also not how the word boolean works.

Nathan's actions at Berkeley were very defensible tbh

I liked the torch-lit walk the night before. That was really whitepilling

But the next day was a disaster

@Volkisch Soldat - OK who is throwing anyone under the bus lol? These guys committed violent acts and are suffering the consequences - it sucks, but i mean are you honestly claiming that Fields DIDN'T mow down a crowd of protesters (regardless of the facts surrounding the situation) or that Rise Above DIDN'T exist to beat up the left? Nathan was spared the long arm of the law because he always preached non-violence, both publicly and privately.

@Koba Only a few guys are throwing him under the bus. Many of us are not tossing him aside

Oh dam

@Flint the important ones are throwing him under the bus.

@missliterallywho I agree, she was coming at him

The organization should not publicly take a stance on this matter but we as private individuals and the broader movement absolutely should when addressing those to whom it would resonate with. Nonetheless, if the broader movement doesnt understand why IE doesnt take a public stance while engaged in ongoing legal action and optics building they are stupid or as in the case with Spencer and co just being subversive.

@Koba I am sorry that you feel so strongly about Fields. What would you propose we do, realistically?

Stop being so holier than thou

To be fair, as a new guy, IE does seem to care a lot about it's members.

Idk, perhaps something as simple as not dehumanize & justify the extreme & preposterous conspiracy that the enemy is clearly engaging in against him. @Papa Pizzagate

I think Fields panicked because he was being attacked. I certainly think his trial is being used as a warning to the rest of us

@Flint That's only if you can convince them that antifa were the ones responsible.

>all these conversations rn
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@Koba is right, though. There are many factors that come into play when deciding not to make a statement on an event like this

Utterly ice cold takes tonight.

@Flint I agree.

A young kid panicked in a crowd and made a massive mistake. He is having an example made of him. It could have easily have been any one of us who, under bad judgement, took that wrong turn in Chatlottesville that day.

I'd be fine if the organization didn't do anything about fields. It would be cool if y'all had a less gay attitude about it though.

I was there and saw the chaos

Silence can be seen as lack of support. Even a public statement saying we can't comment on it bc we are in a lawsuit would put many at ease

It was a madhouse

So was Ian

Indeed, but everyone who came knew to walk out together.

Unfortunately he came alone.

Very unfortunate.

@BryceB-ND I agree with this statement.

But I will say that imo Fields is completely innocent, perhaps guilty of negligence at the very most, bad optics are weak evidence for establishing the express malice of first degree murder, many people commit murder and other crimes who are liberal or apolitical, and the vast majority of those with bad optics are not criminals although they do make me worry at times.

I also went to cville alone

It could have been me

But I also used my head

I’m pictured next to the guy. I personally still stand with him and felt that verdict Ike it was my own

@CarletonJ did you have a rifle pointed at you?

@DairyMaxx It really won't be fine. Moments like these add up

@Sam Southern - TN probably more so than not

I was on the front

I talk to a handful of guys that day who came alone. They were all kind of weirdos. If your in a racist 'fraternity' you are a bit of a weirdo. If any of you autists ended up in jail I would lament and not be a f*g about it

If blacks will excuse their most heinous of criminals despite how those same criminals terrorize their own communities I will speak up for the rights of an innocent white man when it is appropriate.