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Your motive matters

I think all of gods teaching should be looked under the context that god is dead, or doesn't exist. Because humanity is the only thing that we 100% is real. I don't think we should follow the rules of god just because he said so, I think we should follow the laws that make our world better. at the end of day the only thing is for sure is real is man, if something that I will do will be considered sinful by god, but it will help my fellow man, I will do it. Morals do not exist, they are stories we tell our selfs, A sin doesn't exist on earth, but a punch does, the pain of losing a loved one does exist. I think that the bible has some good ideas but some bad ones too,

No what i'm saying is that the motive does not effect what happens, a punch is a punch, not matter what are your motives

Yes if God is not really then religion doesn't matter. But if God is real then you are in great danger. I personally believe God is real therefore I follow God instructions.

Your motive is the cause while effect is the punch

So motive matters

@DeButcher But god taught us in the story of Isaac that we should do a bad thing just because god told us to.

Could u elaborate ? @White Feather

okay

God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, but then said NO before he did it

Sorry, I'm a bit fuzzy with the story,

did i get the message right

I don't think you got the purpose of the message right

I think the purpose was to test if Abraham would truly follow God's will no matter what. God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice his son, as God prevented Abraham from doing that in the Bible. It would really be more of a test of loyalty and faith in God

Was god mad that he did not try to kill his son

No, Abraham was about to do it

he was preparing to sacrifice his son

No God stopped him from killing his son

It was a test

So, if I reading this okay, God wants all of us to do everything he tells us to, even if we know it will harm each other

well yes, but actually no

In the Issac story it didn't hurt anyone

Ur correct in this first part of your sentence

Fine you guys win with the point with Isaac

Don't want this to be a debate, things can get heated really quick. Feel free to ask questions and learn that what this channel is about

He wants us to do everything he tell us to. And depending on circumstances he wouldn't tell us to hurt another

like let's be honest God is a vengeful God

Fine, look my opinion is that God shouldn't be the decider of morality, The effects of the action should, thats my choice.

I won't sugarcoat it

What your perspective on God? Do you believe or dont

Like when the Israelites started worshipping idols instead of God. God instructed the Levites to kill all those who worshipped said idol.

The Isaac part was about whether Abraham would submit his love for his son to his love and dedication to God. As I mentioned before, in some cases, such as my brother committing a horrible crime, I must "kill" my love for him, to do the right thing.

It was less about literally killing his son, but to not let love for his son cloud his covenant with God.

Yes God gave Abraham his son when he was 100 years old. Abraham was really happy when Isaac was born

Through God's gift, Abraham was given a purpose in the world.

One of the greatest gifts a man can have is the opportunity to be a father.

Though a lot of the morals changed after the New Testament. Like God’s philosophy changed a bit

The reason I think God was more "harsh" in the old testament, is the same reason that at times, a parent must be harsh with their young child. They must "demand" that their child listens to their instructions because they don't know better. Once a child reaches a certain age, they begin to understand the reasons behind such "tough love".

I believe in him but, I really care more about what it does on earth than in heaven, I side that I most kill my love of god to save my love of my brother. I can see the smile of my brother, I cant feel gods love. I struggle to believe that god is real. My interpretation of the bible is more about loving your neighbor, because Jesus was 100% real, I will always value the ruling of Jesus over The father/ the holy sprit because he was a real person, He only wanted us to be happy, God, i think only cares about if we follow the rules. God can be real, and if he is, if I left the world in a better state that I found it in, I feel that the world is more important than gods word. I agree with gay marriage because that only brings joy to the world . To summarize, I look morality through the eyes of an atheist, The old testament will be always overruled by the new one.

It wasn't until I was much older that I realized many of the things my parents did that I , at the time, thought was harsh, but turned out to shape me into a decent person. You can't forge a sword without getting a few times. I don't mean hitting in a literal sense though.