no. i already said i acknowledge i'm sinful. i just don't acknowledge the "payment" method

West coast gang. 😃

Yeah

So you would rather spend eternity suffering when you could chose God?

Ok that wasn’t my question. If you acknowledge your sins and know the gravity of your affront you won’t feel guilty?

@Rocci you have Porcupioneer

why would you not want to have your sins forgiven?

asking is not proving you're worthy of being forgiven

You don't have to be "worthy"

You’re not

And you never can be

Im not worthy of being forgiven But jesus did anyways

It's not a system of credit and debit, it's a parent and child relationship.

yes its a relationship

It's a black spot on your soul. But Jesus took that black spot when he died.

I don't know if this has anything to do with religion.

but you don't know if you don't try. what is in hell waiting for us?

Alright let’s let him respond lol

God is the parent and we are the childs

i am guilty. i don't want double-guilty by transferring my guilt over to someone else

It's different interpretations and world outlook.

That doesn't make you guilty when Jesus took them from you willingly.

that's fair. but parents sometimes need to cast the child aside (or vice versa) for it to grow

Yes, we do know. Trying isn’t the thing here. The Bible makes it clear that human “trying” is literally us running in the wrong direction. That said what awaits in Hell is suffering. Worse suffering than ever. If you’d like to know why then I could try to explain but I’m not fully educated on the matter

God is the father that never leaves

If God left us we would be so toast

well. "worst suffering" and "eternal suffering" is a price we must pay as humans if we commit those sins. it's on us

There is no double guilty. If you’re guilty of sinning then you are already guilty of being the reason Jesus died. That makes you an accessory. If you accept Jesus what He does is decide to forgive you for being the reason He died (in its simpler form)

i'm not anywhere close to salvation 😂 i don't know if i can or will

You don't have to pay the eternal suffering, Jesus paid the fine for your sins

U right, and although a parent can pay for the damages a child makes (breaks a window), a child still needs to make some "pennance". So it isn't really a get out of jail free card.

No,because you’re not understanding what “sin” truly is

Thats where repentance comes in

That's right

We are to not only stop sinning but run the other way

it felt wrong, though. i don't think i'm worthy for god/jesus to die for me just for i can enjoy good things

I love how Jesus says "Go and sin no more"

Man we gotta give him more time to respond lol

it's not something you can pay back quickly and it's ingrained in our system. but in Buddhism people are allowed to be sinners, with all their flaws. but if they express regrets and remorse, they will be free earlier

If you let a child sin with no disipline they will have no restraint to keep on sinning

it isn't. but that's where we differ though. i think the "penance" should be paid by myself, god thinks the penance is asking for forgiveness