Message from Myndrian in Nice Respectable People Group #general


2018-12-08 19:16:48 UTC  

@Myndrian You're right, secular ideology doesn't motivate the same way. When you're genuinely afraid of suffering eternal fire, that's a pretty big motivator.

2018-12-08 19:17:01 UTC  

“Is religion more motivational than blank” “well if we consider blank a religion too then...”

2018-12-08 19:17:04 UTC  

Ya thanks APO216 totally agree

2018-12-08 19:20:10 UTC  

So to rouse people from a deep slumber of apathy one can kind of use rhetoric like using ancestors as a type of god figure

2018-12-08 19:20:59 UTC  

Or archetype and talk about they are betraying their ancestors

2018-12-08 19:21:48 UTC  

And then I don’t know where to borrow the same amount of zeal from say like Judaism and Islam two very zealous group evolutionary strategies

2018-12-08 19:23:59 UTC  

The idea of white people ever seeing their ancestry in a religiousesque level *before* winning, is nonsensical. It can be propogandized once in control, but it’s not going to work as a strategy *to* win

2018-12-08 19:26:17 UTC  

White Identity most likely will have to piggy back on a proxy to gain momentum

2018-12-08 19:26:31 UTC  

I think focusing on the physical dangers individuals face from multiracialism and forced diversity is a more effective way to awaken people than focusing on the spiritual aspect just yet. We're more inclined to turn non-religious people away by prioritizing the latter.

2018-12-08 19:28:56 UTC  

@Myndrian That may be true, but it only works on people who share the same religion or religious history. I don't think many Buddhists would be motivated by hellfire for instance. Only Christians or people with a Christian upbringing would be swayed by that. It's a strategy for the in-group.

2018-12-08 19:29:10 UTC  

I think the spiritual aspect is important when addressing the Jewish predicament

2018-12-08 19:30:04 UTC  

If you aren’t playing on a spiritual level when you’re fighting against the tribe you’re fighting from a weaker foundation

2018-12-08 19:31:34 UTC  

Also. I think many secular leftists have a repurposed version of Christian belief that has its own Good v Evil, Saints, commandments, sins, etc.

2018-12-08 19:32:04 UTC  

The left is literally evil. Notch gets it

2018-12-08 19:33:07 UTC  

They already speak in a zealous manner, just with their own secular political beliefs.

2018-12-08 19:33:45 UTC  

@⚡Clark⚡ the left and right dichotomy is the easy to read version of the actual political battle for normies. I really do see it as evil vs good, with varying levels in between

2018-12-08 19:33:52 UTC  

@⚡Clark⚡ makes a good point

2018-12-08 19:33:57 UTC  

And that is mainly my point

2018-12-08 19:34:11 UTC  

Not that I’m spiritual

2018-12-08 19:35:05 UTC  

Mainly atheist/agnostic but I used to be mormon and realize my zeal was never higher than when I thought myself to be completely chosen by god

2018-12-08 19:35:29 UTC  

So that is my point. But there are definitely flaws in such a worldview I’m sure

2018-12-08 19:39:59 UTC  

I’m just kind of rambling but wanted to hear all your thoughts. I guess my main point is how does a secular ideology compete with religious like zeal? Cause in aspect I think generally they lose, but I don’t know much concerning history besides the Mormons definitely did concede to the US out west

2018-12-08 19:40:15 UTC  

Obviously a big secular group has tamed many religious groups

2018-12-08 19:40:17 UTC  

Sadly some people out there aren't able to discern between religiosity and spirituality. It's getting better though

2018-12-08 19:41:21 UTC  

The secular and even often anti-religiousity of the asian communist movements were quite zealous..

2018-12-08 19:42:49 UTC  

Definitely true. Do you think it’s cause communism is like crazy idealism? Aiming for this Utopia/pie in the sky/ heaven on earth?

2018-12-08 19:42:59 UTC  

So essentially heaven in a lot of ways

2018-12-08 19:43:26 UTC  

It’s probably difficult to delineate ideological/religious Utopianism, for the purposes of the strength of conviction

2018-12-08 19:44:21 UTC  

Heaven on earth = 100,000,000 deaths

2018-12-08 19:46:11 UTC  

It’s very important to distinguish “a desire for improvement” from “a desire for perfection.” The latter leads to some dark places when perfection never comes.

2018-12-08 19:46:40 UTC  

Especially when you try to establish heaven on earth top-bottom style ya

2018-12-08 19:46:53 UTC  

I'm chanting "WE WANT WALLS!"

2018-12-08 19:46:54 UTC  

I’m dying and going to heaven type belief is harmless ahah

2018-12-08 19:47:56 UTC  

@ophiuchus Also consider the desire for individual improvement versus societal improvement makes a difference.

2018-12-08 19:48:52 UTC  

Is saying "congratulations" an appropriate answer when you find out an acquaintance is jewish?

2018-12-08 19:49:31 UTC  

I didn't know what else to say

2018-12-08 19:50:40 UTC  

Haha

2018-12-08 19:50:47 UTC  

I’m always like “that’s cool”

2018-12-08 19:52:33 UTC  

In hindsight that probably would've been better.
I was nice about it and she smiled and said thanks, but couldn't hide those "is he patronizing me?" eyes

2018-12-08 19:58:39 UTC  

I just say "Oh wow, that's awesome!"

2018-12-08 19:59:47 UTC  

"weird flex, but okay"