Message from ophiuchus in Nice Respectable People Group #general

2018-12-12 10:15:27 UTC  

If the precedent is set that one can leave the EU and not get fucked economically, the whole bit is done for.

2018-12-12 10:19:43 UTC  

I don’t really know what to make of the whole thing. I understand the feelings of the regular Britons who don’t like taking orders from Strasbourg, but yanking the country out of its economic integration with its neighbors is going to be pretty rough. I also don’t see a point in leaving the EU if you’re not going to actually address the reason who people voted to leave the EU- immigration. I’m completely unconvinced a non-EU UK would have a reasonable immigration policy, and I’m quite sure they’d just keep doing what they’re doing now, which is a disaster.

2018-12-12 10:21:22 UTC  

Europeans are often either A. Monarchists and agree with the American WNs on some things. or B. Cowards who are racial nihilists.

2018-12-12 10:21:38 UTC  

Europe is odd.

2018-12-12 10:24:06 UTC  

I was in the UK last month and it was truly staggering how much London had changed between when I was there as a child and now. I went to a few museums, and every time I came across a group of school children on a field trip, maybe three out of fifteen or so were British (or white of another stripe.)

2018-12-12 10:24:32 UTC  

Ironically. And hopefully, this plan to create a Pan Euro identity AND THEN adding in Third World people may create a Pan European Identity. Which would be nice. Given the stark contrast between Somalis and Brits vs Brits and other Europeans.

2018-12-12 10:24:51 UTC  

Just an update on south africa before I go to sleep

2018-12-12 10:25:44 UTC  

London is terrible dude. @ophiuchus

2018-12-12 10:26:38 UTC  

Went somewhere for dinner that said it was 5 stars on Yelp. Ended up being a strip club.

2018-12-12 10:26:49 UTC  

Finished my beer and bailed.

2018-12-12 10:27:14 UTC  

Try showing up as the clearly American White dude in a sport coat and not get nagged for money constantly.

2018-12-12 10:35:42 UTC  

It's a worthy consideration. I don't know if you've heard the "race didn't exist until the age of colonization" argument before, but what you're talking about is something kind of similar. The "race didn't exist before colonization" thing is *almost* true, it's just talking about the wrong thing. Genetic population clusters which we call races very much did exist before the age of colonization, but we didn't know about them. A 9th century French peasant might not have even known black people, for example, existed, so of course his conceptualization of his ethnic relation was different. It's only through comparison that differences arise, and when Europeans discovered the rest of the world and met its people, they were able to understand that, for example, the Spanish and the English were more similar to each other than either was to Bantus in Africa or Malays in Indonesia. As their frame of reference expanded, they were able to differentiate people on another level of (dis)similarity- on one plane, between Europeans, and on another, more basal plane, Europeans from other races, such as Africans. While historically this happened "externally," meaning that Europeans were able to perceive this level of racial dissimilarity because they traveled abroad to meet those of other races, the same thing could be happening today "internally." As people from the Europe start to interact *en masse* with people from other racial groups, they might begin to perceive the differences their ancestors did centuries ago and begin to distinguish not just German from Pole, but European from non-European.

2018-12-12 10:35:56 UTC  

Yeah London's pretty terrible.

2018-12-12 10:41:59 UTC  

There's still a lot of interesting historical stuff to see there, but I really detest the feeling. Going around what is ostensibly the thriving capital of a European country just to see the grandeur of its past exploits and appreciate what it once was while having to systematically avoid witnessing its self-inflicted wounds is depressing. Visiting London is like visiting the grave of an erstwhile celebrated hero whose success bred a life so good he succumbed to suicidal apathy.

2018-12-12 10:42:19 UTC  

Good morning

2018-12-12 10:42:39 UTC  

I'd almost recommend people go just to get a feel for that emotion- it really helps to crystalize our thoughts about all of this.

2018-12-12 10:42:46 UTC  

@Isabella Locke-MT good morning!

2018-12-12 10:43:58 UTC  

Good morning IE

2018-12-12 10:44:25 UTC  

It is way too early for effort posts ophiuchus

2018-12-12 10:44:43 UTC  

It's finals week fam

2018-12-12 10:44:47 UTC  

We in effort posting mode

2018-12-12 10:44:57 UTC  

One more final and I'm done with my degree!

2018-12-12 10:45:08 UTC  

That's awesome! Congrats

2018-12-12 10:45:12 UTC  

What did you major in?

2018-12-12 10:45:35 UTC  

Thank you! Really looking forward to have a bit more time to spend on both myself and IE.

2018-12-12 10:45:36 UTC  


2018-12-12 10:49:40 UTC  

I'm about to go through the opposite, lol. When my boy is born in January I probably won't be on as much

2018-12-12 10:50:26 UTC  

Completely understandable though. Wish you much luck with your child!

2018-12-12 10:50:29 UTC  

Is this your first?

2018-12-12 10:50:38 UTC  


2018-12-12 10:50:57 UTC  

Oh wow- how're you feeling?

2018-12-12 10:51:39 UTC  

Amused. He always starts wiggling right after I eat and I just had some breakfast so now I'm watching my stomach move like in the Alien movies

2018-12-12 10:52:05 UTC  

I was in Paris when I was like 12 and it was already Africa tier

2018-12-12 10:52:11 UTC  

@Isabella Locke-MT when are you due if you don't mind sharing?

2018-12-12 10:52:20 UTC  

Jan 31st

2018-12-12 10:52:28 UTC  

But I have a feeling he might be a little early

2018-12-12 10:52:30 UTC  

we'll see

2018-12-12 10:53:16 UTC  

You had breakfast at 3:50 AM?

2018-12-12 10:53:52 UTC  

My husband wakes up at 3 to get ready for work. Usually I'll eat a little something while he gets ready and then go back to sleep for 3-4 hours

2018-12-12 10:54:22 UTC  

I hope everything goes smoothly for you and the baby. I recall when my son was born. My wife was in labor for 23 hours 😫