Message from ophiuchus in Nice Respectable People Group #general
There is no way the UK could do Brexit without A. Getting screwed economically or B. opening the door to other nations leaving the EU. Which would never happen.
Plus Northern Ireland is enough of a problem to make Brexit difficult.
Brexit is economically harmful as well.
If the precedent is set that one can leave the EU and not get fucked economically, the whole bit is done for.
I don’t really know what to make of the whole thing. I understand the feelings of the regular Britons who don’t like taking orders from Strasbourg, but yanking the country out of its economic integration with its neighbors is going to be pretty rough. I also don’t see a point in leaving the EU if you’re not going to actually address the reason who people voted to leave the EU- immigration. I’m completely unconvinced a non-EU UK would have a reasonable immigration policy, and I’m quite sure they’d just keep doing what they’re doing now, which is a disaster.
Europeans are often either A. Monarchists and agree with the American WNs on some things. or B. Cowards who are racial nihilists.
Europe is odd.
I was in the UK last month and it was truly staggering how much London had changed between when I was there as a child and now. I went to a few museums, and every time I came across a group of school children on a field trip, maybe three out of fifteen or so were British (or white of another stripe.)
Ironically. And hopefully, this plan to create a Pan Euro identity AND THEN adding in Third World people may create a Pan European Identity. Which would be nice. Given the stark contrast between Somalis and Brits vs Brits and other Europeans.
Just an update on south africa before I go to sleep
Went somewhere for dinner that said it was 5 stars on Yelp. Ended up being a strip club.
Finished my beer and bailed.
Try showing up as the clearly American White dude in a sport coat and not get nagged for money constantly.
It's a worthy consideration. I don't know if you've heard the "race didn't exist until the age of colonization" argument before, but what you're talking about is something kind of similar. The "race didn't exist before colonization" thing is *almost* true, it's just talking about the wrong thing. Genetic population clusters which we call races very much did exist before the age of colonization, but we didn't know about them. A 9th century French peasant might not have even known black people, for example, existed, so of course his conceptualization of his ethnic relation was different. It's only through comparison that differences arise, and when Europeans discovered the rest of the world and met its people, they were able to understand that, for example, the Spanish and the English were more similar to each other than either was to Bantus in Africa or Malays in Indonesia. As their frame of reference expanded, they were able to differentiate people on another level of (dis)similarity- on one plane, between Europeans, and on another, more basal plane, Europeans from other races, such as Africans. While historically this happened "externally," meaning that Europeans were able to perceive this level of racial dissimilarity because they traveled abroad to meet those of other races, the same thing could be happening today "internally." As people from the Europe start to interact *en masse* with people from other racial groups, they might begin to perceive the differences their ancestors did centuries ago and begin to distinguish not just German from Pole, but European from non-European.
Yeah London's pretty terrible.
There's still a lot of interesting historical stuff to see there, but I really detest the feeling. Going around what is ostensibly the thriving capital of a European country just to see the grandeur of its past exploits and appreciate what it once was while having to systematically avoid witnessing its self-inflicted wounds is depressing. Visiting London is like visiting the grave of an erstwhile celebrated hero whose success bred a life so good he succumbed to suicidal apathy.
I'd almost recommend people go just to get a feel for that emotion- it really helps to crystalize our thoughts about all of this.
Good morning IE
It is way too early for effort posts ophiuchus
It's finals week fam
We in effort posting mode
One more final and I'm done with my degree!
That's awesome! Congrats
What did you major in?
Thank you! Really looking forward to have a bit more time to spend on both myself and IE.
I'm about to go through the opposite, lol. When my boy is born in January I probably won't be on as much
Completely understandable though. Wish you much luck with your child!
Is this your first?
Oh wow- how're you feeling?
Amused. He always starts wiggling right after I eat and I just had some breakfast so now I'm watching my stomach move like in the Alien movies
I was in Paris when I was like 12 and it was already Africa tier
@Isabella Locke-MT when are you due if you don't mind sharing?
But I have a feeling he might be a little early