Message from @Virgil

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2018-12-21 16:24:56 UTC  

Sam I’d like to discuss it with you. Please answer my Q

2018-12-21 16:25:50 UTC  

The answer is yes

2018-12-21 16:26:02 UTC  

To yours

2018-12-21 16:26:30 UTC  

In Ian’s opinion or your own?

2018-12-21 16:26:35 UTC  

Mine

2018-12-21 16:26:49 UTC  

I’m asking Ian rn, one convo at a time lol. I will get to yours, as I told you in my DM.

2018-12-21 16:27:05 UTC  

Ok, my bad didn’t see th dm

2018-12-21 16:31:06 UTC  

Well, we aren't talking about the present. I like to remain pragmatic, practical and realistic in the present - as well as accessible. "DO U THINK JOOOS CAN B WHITE!1!!1!1" Is not really any of those things.

What you're describing is really hypothetical policy in some futuristic EvropAmerican nation. and the question you are proposing is "Would you let Jews live there". I don't see these conversations as healthy, or productive and prefer not to engage in them.
Jew obsession is something that makes us appear particularly unhinged and uncouth , looking at every photograph to see if someone has a large nose, going to every wikipedia page, hitting ctrl-f and typing "jewish" etc. Really unhealthy mindset - I have been there and it's quite literally being a parody of everything our enemies accuse us of. We need to separate ourselves from this mindset.

Ultimately though since I can tell you won't let this go, my answer is "no, with perhaps a few exceptions"

2018-12-21 16:31:48 UTC  

Soooo uncouth

2018-12-21 16:31:51 UTC  

I am glad to hear that you don’t believe that Jews can be 100% members of the American nation.

2018-12-21 16:32:02 UTC  

@⚡Clark⚡ aight roll it out

2018-12-21 16:33:12 UTC  

That’s not what they said, not in those words and framing though @Papa Pizzagate

2018-12-21 16:33:46 UTC  

Maybe I misunderstood.

2018-12-21 16:33:55 UTC  

It was a wild misrepresentation of what I was saying, but he conceded that Jews aren’t members of the American nation. Which is what I wanted to hear from someone in a position of leadership in this organization.

2018-12-21 16:34:38 UTC  

@Sam Southern - TN my take on it is yes, Jewish people CAN become 100% members of the nation. Just as a 90/10 white asian can. Am I saying Jewish people as a whole? No. But exceptions exist, like we can see in Stephen Miller who exhibits long term Right wing views. In my opinion they should be taken case by case and kept a close eye on. But it is possible

2018-12-21 16:35:12 UTC  

Treating Asians and Jews as similar opponents to Whites is rather disingenuous imo.

2018-12-21 16:35:30 UTC  

Agreed. But Jewishness is largely an identity

2018-12-21 16:35:34 UTC  

It’s less radical

2018-12-21 16:35:36 UTC  

Racial*

2018-12-21 16:35:50 UTC  

So if they Identity is stripped, it’s possible, theoretically

2018-12-21 16:36:18 UTC  

@Sam Southern - TN My two cents, I think some jews can be a part of the American nation, particularly the ones who are of mixed Euro and Ashkenazi ancestry and were raised in secular or Christian households. As is becoming increasingly common.

2018-12-21 16:36:50 UTC  

For most admixtures if they're 90% plus white they're basically white imo

2018-12-21 16:36:51 UTC  

We shouldn't fully trust anyone who has a separate identity from us

At the same time, we shouldn't fully distrust people like Stephen Miller

This shouldn't be complicated

2018-12-21 16:36:52 UTC  

Exactly @Virgil it does happen. Some askenazies have no Identity or loyalty to judiaism

2018-12-21 16:36:55 UTC  

John Stossel looks like a Sicilian.

2018-12-21 16:36:58 UTC  

@⚡Clark⚡ I'm sure Steve Miller has a strong Jewish Identity behind closed doors. His family escaped the programs.

2018-12-21 16:37:04 UTC  

But Jewish identity is in fact racial/genetic as demonstrated by their propensity to develop Tay Sachs disease if they remain unmixed for too long

2018-12-21 16:37:27 UTC  

@Jacob literally what I said. I’m glad he’s putting forth policy for us. But advocacy of trusting someone like him 100% is insanity to me.

2018-12-21 16:37:33 UTC  

@ExternalPepsi maybe so, maybe he’s jewing

2018-12-21 16:37:37 UTC  

Also, these other non white groups dont have a long and tiresome history of being very poor guests of their host nations

2018-12-21 16:37:52 UTC  

@Sam Southern - TN If what I described is your position, then we agree

2018-12-21 16:38:33 UTC  

Jewish identity has survived millennia of attempting to be stomped out. It hasn’t. We can’t allow ourselves to believe that it will ever allow Jews to be White. And to be a member of the American nation, one must be White.

2018-12-21 16:38:52 UTC  

I would say by and large I mostly agree with Sams take, given the realism lens he’s coming from

2018-12-21 16:39:00 UTC  

ty

2018-12-21 16:39:39 UTC  

As a similar example, I don't have the same identity as someone whose family is deeply rooted in America

I don't think someone like me should hold political power here

That doesn't mean I can't be a genuine part of this movement who deserves some level of trust

2018-12-21 16:40:56 UTC  

I don't disagree, but while Jewish identity has persisted, Jewish genetics really haven't. It's no secret that even pure Ashkenazis are 80% European roughly.

2018-12-21 16:41:49 UTC  

Stephen Miller is a fine advisor. I'd probably be a fine advisor too.

As president, ideally we'd have someone of traditional American heritage, but, personally, I'd take Stephen Miller over most of the other options.

2018-12-21 16:42:29 UTC  

That 20% non European sure leads to some strange propensities though...

2018-12-21 16:42:46 UTC  

How do we feel about Matthew Whitaker?

2018-12-21 16:43:41 UTC  

I don't know a ton about him aside from the memes - former Jock and played alot of Diablo in college.