Paleocons are in the GOP just like right leaning libertarians.

Buchanan is paleocon

nick fuentes

@Nerv - VA I get you, I was sort of implying that you might be "further right," which I'm quite opposed to personally tbh. That probably makes me an odd one in IE

@Nico The Great - CA Not really.

@Papa Pizzagate I've only been in IE for like 2 months though, so I still don't exactly have a grasp of things

Calling myself a paleocon would also not be inaccurate.

@Nico The Great - CA Buchanan was pretty far right.

His books are basically indistinguishable than some people who might have much worse reputations.

@Nerv - VA That's a bit reassuring that you say that tbh. I support IE of course, but my initial impressions have been that there are a lot of "gas station" guys if you get the reference. I'm really not on that train

@Nico The Great - CA haha, uh look into Buchanan a little bit more.

He got in a bit of trouble over his views I’ll just say that.

@Nico The Great - CA The French Revolution was one of the first revolutions that espoused eglaiitariansim. This toxic, malignant social pathology has dogged us ever since. The Jews latched onto this very early on as a way to destroy cilvilization, and to cynically reduce everyone to a lowest common denominator. Except for the ruling elite of course, whom they imagined would be (((them))). Happily, the French appear to be the ones most ready and able to destroy the GloboHomo New World Order. The Italians, Hungarians, Poles, etc. are right behind them. Britain is the worst Leftist tyranny right now, but the Brits are also one of the most belligerent people on earth. They will wake up too.

@Nerv - VA I'll have to look him up then. Tbh I've only heard a few snippets from him, my claim of "paleoconservative" comes from the fact i'm big fans of Red Elephants, Nick FUentes, and Tucker Carlson

@OMGDwayne I basically agree with everything there, though I might have worded it a bit differently lol

far right is a contextual term

hell paleocon simply means old conservative its a bit contextual itself

@Nico The Great - CA yea I like all those guys. We all joined IE for the Optics, but Vince and Nick both have histories of not so good optics. That’s how they built their base.

Vince James doesnt have good optics? Since when?

didnt?

Tbh, I joined IE because I really like Patrick Casey. If it was "old leadership" I never would have joined tbh. I'm just being straight up with you guys

i think i recall Nicks less than optimal optics and mistakes he made. but fuzzy on the specifics

I don't just like the "optics," I actually find "alternative" identitarianism to actually be immoral

what is alternative identitarianism

@Nico The Great - CA that is the exact culture and impression we are trying to move from. I wish more people would get on board, frankly.

The one major thing we have to realize is that our government is committed to the destruction of civilization. Trump is straining every nerve to fight these traitors, but he is hamstrung by the permanent deep state.

DM me if you want to explain past bad optics of Vince or Nick

@VinceChaos people who think identitarianism is simply a fresh coat of paint on other failed ideologies, the Alt right etc.

Anyway. What are we listening to while we chat.

@VinceChaos To be frank, actual NatSoc movements, skinheads, Klan, etc are very repulsive to me. They're not just "optically" bad, I actually find them morally repugnant. If you've ever watched teh Andy Griffith Show, you'll understand my vision for America. If not, google image it. People like Richard Spencer and his "crowd" are also repugnant to me too tbh

ok def on the same page then

@VinceChaos Good to hear. I say that because even though I've met great people, I'm really new to things, so I'm still figuring out where the actual organization stands. I don't think a lot of the "old guard" IE members realize that it actually takes alot to take that first step and get involved in a group like IE.

my roommate put on the college foosball game that was in the background @OMGDwayne

@Nico The Great - CA Yeah, well, these objectionable people are inevitable. We can no longer be a movement of elitists. As our movement gains power, as it will, we will be joined and supported by our lower-class brothers. They will be impulsive. But if we become the kind of mass movement we need to be, we should embrace our lower-class brethren. They are just like us. They are the foot soldiers of out movement.

Uh no, that’s actually a really bad Idea IMO. Just look at TWP.

these kinds of people are not in great numbers and dont need to be catered to

@OMGDwayne I totally disagree tbh. I'm just a normal American who doesn't want white people to go extinct. I have nothing to do with other groups. I love America, I love the flag, I love the 2nd A, I'm not some guy pushing an ideological revolution for a European style government or something. Just an average joe

The leadership is very protective of our image which is why I like IE. If we start hanging out with weirdos I’m out.

besides, many of the bad optics white groups are not dedicated to political action. they are just separatists. its a different thing entirely

@Nerv - VA Totally random topic, but were you the guy I talked to the other day about the Meyers Briggs personality test?

@Nico The Great - CA Again. I f we are to win, we will have to be a mass movement. And that means hordes of White men and women who are on our side in the most visceral and emotionally committed way. We will in no way be able to keep our movement on some kind of higher plane.