its a matter of taste

A joint decision that isn't the person that is being affected.

@Doc most tastes in music actually are cemented at the age of 14

My taste in music at 14 was bloody awful

@Doc well it’s not some willy nilly decision with no barriers to entry

No, just a bunch of doctors that feel like Jimmy should be a woman.

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/02/12/spotify-study-musical-tastes/

@Maw its a joint decision between the physicians and the person in question

Not without the other

How? Are you saying that 14 year olds can know what they want and know what's best for them down the line? They're going through puberty, which makes a lot of kids confused.

They don't even understand the changes in their body.

You would only be able to get that information from a trans person that knew they were trans

what.

Meaning ask a trans person

trans by choice?

^^

I said knew they were trans

The choice people are focused on is the transition

That’s the choice

my race is blue my gender is blue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY

You think these kids are capable of understanding complex gender identity stuff when they don't even understand largely what's happening to them through puberty?

@james j would you like me do describe the process to you, or are you already satisfied with your insight into it?

But what is the rush? Transition as an adult. I don’t know what it’s like to be a 14 year old boy, but as a 14 year old girl I made dreadful decisions but the good thing in my case was I didn’t have a life changing procedure that I couldn’t reverse.

The process of evaluation to identify a trans person or the transition process itself @Doc

Do you really think it's as simple as saying: "Oh, hey. I guess I'm trans."

@james j the medical procedure to assess whether or not to grant surgery?

I mean I have repeated many times it’s not just up to the person stating they are trans it s amount decision that requires professional evaluation @Maw

I personally have concerns allowing minors to undergo drastic, permanent, life-altering decisions of that type. I won't let my kids get tattoos. And yet I fully support my LGBTQ friends. It's complicated. For years, female gymnasts have taken measures to stave off puberty in the hopes of making it to the Olympics, which is both scary and admirable. That's a tough one. I am certain that I would not support a minor being able to make that decision without parental consent, though - at least with the limited knowledge that I have on the subject.

I think when they're legally an adult and have full body autonomy? Go nuts.

@Doc no the procedure kids undergo to determine if they are truly trans

@james j It would mirror that of adults.

No question.

It shouldn’t if it does @Doc

@james j I have no comment. I am never normative.

@Doc, you just advanced to level 18!

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=CtftWcgXjdg&feature=share

I told you to stop that, this is on topic.

This is policy-related.

okay I want tax free sexual organs

on layaway