@Doc I have no idea about what your are talking about

How does a physician know what gender is best for your child?

Answer me that, honestly.

@james j the primary school curriculum in europe now contains sessions in which adults talk to 7 and 8 year olds about their masturbation habits.

@Maw If you are asking me, I dont know what is best for anyone. Which is why I approach healthcare like a steward on a plane. This is the menu, what do you want?

Exactly.

Do you think a 14 year old is capable of making permanent, body-altering choices with the foresight capacity they have at that age?

Well gender is not up to the physician , the actual transition process is guided by a doctor to make sure , the kid isn’t faking, eliminating other variables, waiting , regular checkups , There are actual physical differences that could be present like people with klienfileders syndrome

usually not any more or less than a 20 year old, @Maw

"faking"

@Maw I don’t think a 14 year old makes that decision

Then who does? The parents?

@Maw Most millennials are arrested in development at around 14. So they remain that age.

A team of people eliminating variables it’s a joint decision, personally I think people should wait till they are 18 but this is more of a question for those in the medical field @Maw

@james j we have no reply for you.

You shouldn’t be able to have life changing medical procedures like that before the brain is fully formed. That’s all I’m saying

its a matter of taste

A joint decision that isn't the person that is being affected.

@Doc most tastes in music actually are cemented at the age of 14

My taste in music at 14 was bloody awful

@Doc well it’s not some willy nilly decision with no barriers to entry

No, just a bunch of doctors that feel like Jimmy should be a woman.

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/02/12/spotify-study-musical-tastes/

@Maw its a joint decision between the physicians and the person in question

Not without the other

How? Are you saying that 14 year olds can know what they want and know what's best for them down the line? They're going through puberty, which makes a lot of kids confused.

They don't even understand the changes in their body.

You would only be able to get that information from a trans person that knew they were trans

what.

Meaning ask a trans person

trans by choice?

^^

I said knew they were trans

The choice people are focused on is the transition

That’s the choice

my race is blue my gender is blue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY

You think these kids are capable of understanding complex gender identity stuff when they don't even understand largely what's happening to them through puberty?

@james j would you like me do describe the process to you, or are you already satisfied with your insight into it?

But what is the rush? Transition as an adult. I don’t know what it’s like to be a 14 year old boy, but as a 14 year old girl I made dreadful decisions but the good thing in my case was I didn’t have a life changing procedure that I couldn’t reverse.

The process of evaluation to identify a trans person or the transition process itself @Doc

Do you really think it's as simple as saying: "Oh, hey. I guess I'm trans."