Message from @DaddyPaddy - FL

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2019-01-15 23:42:09 UTC  

being told over and over how I have to apologize for white privilege, when I've had a hard life

2019-01-15 23:42:12 UTC  

trump winning

2019-01-15 23:42:33 UTC  

the left name-calling people and saying their ideas were wrong, so I decided to just watch their stuff and judge for myself

2019-01-15 23:43:07 UTC  

but if it was one moment, it was seeing Jared Taylor in a round table on immigration, and thinking who is that well-spoken, intelligent man? and I saw he was a "white nationalist" when I looked him up, and debated with myself about whether to watch him but decided to go ahead

2019-01-15 23:47:48 UTC  

@apronandlace that's a pretty good story of getting off the fence.

Didn't you want to do a podcast about that @Virgil ?

2019-01-15 23:47:58 UTC  

taylor is based yep

2019-01-15 23:48:25 UTC  

in terms of video content and speaking hes basically unmatched imo

2019-01-15 23:52:05 UTC  

Yeah, Taylor got me to consider things I wouldn't have gone for (it took me a while to accept IQ differences and freedom of association) because his content is so high-quality (lots of facts, intelligence, respect for anyone he's debating or being interviewed by)

2019-01-15 23:53:26 UTC  

What do you think is the best way to get through to the other half of whites?

2019-01-15 23:54:59 UTC  

Do we talk affirmative action and white privlidge or go an economic route on outsourcing and immigration?

2019-01-15 23:56:17 UTC  

I think a good strategy is making white advocacy seem like the more virtuous choice. It seems like a common theme in history that white people get very motivated when they think a cause is just.

2019-01-15 23:57:01 UTC  

like, shaming white people and telling them they're unvirtuous works very well against us (e.g., Gandhi's strategy against Britain, the left now)

2019-01-15 23:57:35 UTC  

and we have historically gotten very motivated to do things like abolish slavery, bring civilzation to other continents, etc.

2019-01-15 23:58:05 UTC  

the left is already framing this as a matter of good vs. evil

2019-01-15 23:58:20 UTC  

so unless we are definitely on the side of good, hopefully more than the left, we seem like the evil side

2019-01-15 23:58:52 UTC  

I think we should use a different word than genocide, but use the 2020 census as an argument for self preservation?

2019-01-15 23:59:15 UTC  

That is the foundation of law.

2019-01-15 23:59:18 UTC  

yeah

2019-01-16 00:01:42 UTC  

@JoeDrake We need to be in the habit of describing ourselves as Identitarian instead of WN. Just a tip. 😃

2019-01-16 00:07:36 UTC  

It's not just about labels, though. Identitarian isn't just another word for WN. As Identitarians, we don't just ascribe to a set of beliefs, we take action to show a new way forward that's relatable to our current circumstances. The only world that we can change is the one in which we actually live. There is a clear path to getting our people to understand they are a group with genuine interests and they have a duty to assert them.

For 60 years, white nationalist groups have failed to come up with a clear path to their solution. Identitarianism is different not just because we also focus on culture, shared historic experience, language, etc., but because our vision tells us what we must do _right now_.

2019-01-16 00:18:42 UTC  

@apronandlace I really, really, agree with that sentiment..

2019-01-16 00:19:25 UTC  

I completely agree with your statements, @Evan Thomas . We need that call to action to set forth real change.

2019-01-16 00:20:09 UTC  

@apronandlace Tbh that is part of why I am in IE. I consider myself on the good side. So yeah, your point about making our cause a good vs. evil thing is spot on

2019-01-16 00:22:13 UTC  

Yeah, and identitarianism, particularly when set against globalism, is easy to characterize as virtuous

2019-01-16 00:30:49 UTC  

Some ways identitarianism is virtuous:
All groups of people can follow their destiny (as JT says)
Honoring the ancestors who made your culture or fought to preserve it
Better wages and protections for the poor, elderly, and infirm, when work and benefits stay generally within a group (compared to open borders)
Better civic engagement and cooperation when there is a cohesive culture
Better for the environment (compared to moving people from low-carbon use countries into ones where they will use more carbon)
Preserving unique cultures, cultural diversity (similar to preserving languages or endangered species or subspecies)
Counteracts exploitative nature of global corporations

2019-01-16 00:34:00 UTC  

And Identitarianism also easily explains the behaviors of other groups that aren't of European descent. Basic Trump supporters need to understand that Democrats don't create identity politics, _identity_ creates identity politics. It's an inescapable aspect of tribalism that the Democrat party has simply exploited. And unless we see ourselves as a group and join the trend toward the politics of identity, we'll be easily pushed aside by groups that defend their interests without hesitation.

2019-01-16 00:37:07 UTC  

@Logan Not sure, but sounds like a good idea nonetheless.

2019-01-16 00:41:10 UTC  

I couldn't agree more with Great American's assessment.

2019-01-16 00:51:38 UTC  

@Evan Thomas I think that many Trump supporters see identity politics as a form of demagoguery. Similar to how Black politicians tend to use and exploit the identity of Black America to further their own individual interests. Trump supporters and populists see that happening in black community and they expect it to carry over to the European Americans if we embrace our identity. Which may be why they're against identity politics.

2019-01-16 00:52:36 UTC  

Yes. They don't like the brand of identity politics of other communities because it is largely self-serving on the part of their "leaders."

2019-01-16 00:54:17 UTC  

More powerfully, though, is their understanding that we're all in this together and everyone should be proud to be an American, have good values, treat each other well and work hard.

2019-01-16 00:54:43 UTC  

They don't realize that their understanding of America ceases to exist without people of European heritage.

2019-01-16 00:56:03 UTC  

Their very depiction of that kind of America is white and western.

2019-01-16 00:56:24 UTC  

Can't we all just get past this identity thing and embrace our differences? Some people charge interest rates, some people rob liquor stores, this is what makes us GREAT. If you want to MAGA, give your daughter to Tyrone!

2019-01-16 00:57:11 UTC  

@Virgil I think that's true. Many people who would otherwise be on our side say that playing "identity politics" is bad. one possible rebuttal could be to say that each group decides on how to embrace and further its own identity. white people don't need to do it the same way as black people.

2019-01-16 00:58:31 UTC  

Our differences make us the same! BIGOT

2019-01-16 01:01:04 UTC  

@Evan Thomas @apronandlace I think the key to bringing Trump supporters over to European/American Identity politics is convincing them that we're not demagogues or self serving. And we can achieve that by being stable, professional, honest and showing that we take care of our own people. In other words, be an example and a role model that everybody can look up to.

2019-01-16 01:07:55 UTC  

@Virgil I agree completely. It works better if we don't seem like demagogues or self-serving.

2019-01-16 01:08:41 UTC  

I think it helps to universalize when we can (white people have long been fans of universal morality), like Jared Taylor does, and say that we are for identity for all groups, that all peoples should follow their destiny, etc. Survival for all groups. Positive pride for all groups. Respect the unique contributions of all groups. that kind of thing.

2019-01-16 01:14:27 UTC  

Mexican guy at Amren claiming that identitarianism is also better for Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQaIEnQz6RY