Monarchy and parliament.

Consul & Senate.

we definitely can't "go back" to a previous time in history, or else we'll end up in the same place

Actual picture of me in American Gov whenever someone said elites

Really need a new system instead of rehashed old ones. Propertarianism is a step in the right direction.

@Ian Where we are now, I'd have to argue that there is a lot more tied into the word "democracy" than mobs. It's also a much more emotionally salient word as it references the people. Republicanism is a word only used a fraction of the time as much as democracy, and sounds too vested in one American political party. The idea of someone representing your interests doesn't pull at the heartstrings the way that government deriving its legitimacy from "the people" does.

@Danimal876 In terms of optics yes but in terms of actual substance Democracy will overwhelm us. It's purely a numbers game.

The system as it is now is thoroughly anti-democratic. It's against the people themselves. We are the ones fighting for a more perfect union, for justice, domestic tranquility, and for ourselves and our posterity

How is democracy in itself not the people against themselves

Democracy won't ever protect people from demographic shifts. It's not enough on it's own.

I think it can. Israel defines itself as Jewish and democratic.

Can we also acknowledge that the US isn’t a democracy and never was

Our ancestors just weren't explicit enough about our racial identity.

V.Balboa is in General Voice

I've heard the point that if we have *actual* democracy, we wouldn't be in this situation today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyg3ObFH4ac

nice song

The thing is, try talking to the average person about politics. Would you really want this person making decisions?

^^

Exactly

But democracy doesn't have to necessarily mean direct referendums on things.

Actual Democracy got us here. The voter roles get larger and larger and accept everybody. We're being voted out of existence

Whenever I hear a leftist talk about "muh democracy" I just chuckle at this point

Representative democracy is what I usually said

Lol people cant even define democracy.

I didn't see a difference between that and "constitutional republic"

The problem here is more with universal franchise I think

In a big way, it had to get bigger @Ian . The average voter gets a small say, but the upper classes have the means and the ability to have a larger say.

Always found it semantic

Yes but it got too big. people who own nothing will vote for anything

Is a democracy anything that's democratic?

If the average person didn't have a say at all, most governments would collapse from revolutions.

And I'm no elitist. I come from poverty.

I have transcended being triggered and have reached peak zen when it comes to leftists haha

The founding fathers knew this would happen. they wrote about it

I just see this big, valuable word that should be ours to shape the definition of.

One that is thoroughly rooted in the American psyche.

@Danimal876 On that I can agree 100%

I'll just posit into this discussion that controlling public opinion is far more important than any system of governance nowadays.

Rather it's a system of governance on its own

It's always been that way. If you want to keep your head at least.