At least not in detail

@Jacob It is to me. Even local chains with 3 stores usually have posters up with the usual garbage on it. I mostly go to local butcher shops and bakeries these days.

Sometimes I miss ben and jerrys

oh well I guess it depends where you are

in Seattle there's a gay flag in every window

@Jacob that’s really sad lol

shit, there was even a smoke shop with a "we refuse fascism bla bla bla" sign

I'm in Eastern Washington, which is red, though

so that might be why the local chains don't bother

I work next to a hair dresser with a HUGE sign that says "proudly LGBT owned"

@The Lion frame it more like relationship goals. "Wouldn't it be great if we get to the point when we have children, that you don't have to work. You could stay home with the kids and take care of the home... We could have you know, an Irish setter or something, a property with a few acres, maybe some veggies and a little herb garden, we could even raise bees."

If she is already interested such ideas would probably appeal to her

Do you live in a blue part of Ohio?

that might be why

Beekeeping does seem pretty cool.

"Plus, you know...we want to have a couple of kids, so it would be *pretty difficult* for the both of us to work AND raise good children" @The Lion

I live in a big city, but the red suburb I'm from has the same problem

is the county blue?

No

huh weird

I’ve accentuated the importance of a homemaker before, she’s interested.

maybe you just notice this stuff more than I do

I might be desensitized from all the time I spent in Seattle

@The Lion I think there is a lot you can do, just with your own behavior, without pressuring her

Perhaps that’s a better way than trying to read some philosophical crap

We were 98% white a few years back and were pretty aggressively targeted for the past few years

I'm also engaged, and the dynamic with my fiance shifted as I became more traditional

@The Lion You might get something out of red pill married forums like on reddit, or the High T marriage blog

and of course there are things you can do yourself, like saving and investing to enable a traditional lifestyle for yourself and her down the road

Another thing, what would you all consider a good career for a traditional man.

@The Lion Generally speaking, women are less logical and more emotional. Showing some graph about economic consequences of both parents working would be much less effective than painting the imagery of the life you imagine for the two of you together, and let her imagination run with it.

I mean it seems broad but to be engaged in the home life and care for your family, and I intend on having many children so I would need a high pay grade.

@The Lion Something that can support a family and that you are good at. There is 0 virtue in being poor.

@The Lion trades are trad in the masculine sense but being something like an engineer or financier gives you a lot of freedom to be with your kids

I wish I chose a career where I could listen to audiobooks all day

imagine how smart I would be after a year of that

@Jacob either really smart or really the kind of guy ppl dont want to talk to at parties

@The Lion You might want to introduce her to Lana from Red Ice TV, she covers politics more than homemaking but she's a good female figure for the movement

@The Lion you could also think about it this way:

We live in unstable times. We want to bring society back to tradition, but we ourselves might not be able to live that way. So if the choice is between living a by-the-book traditionalist life and being financially stable, successful, etc., the latter option may be better

I always like to use women like Ann Coulter and Marion M. Le Pen as examples - should we live in a world where they don’t have to be in politics? of course. Do we? Sadly not

just replace “politics” with whatever field

Isn't "traditionalist" a subjective term? I feel like we are cultural pioneers trying to find OUR traditionalism

that’s a really good point