So anything that helps is good

yeah it's all fun and games until like... you're fighting some stupid hardware bug or wasting time with some bogus line connection

devops is "hot" or whatever. learn saltstack or coreos or something.

easy job in most metro markets

everyone wants to save money and replace oldschool admins.

aws learner account comes in handy there

I see

don't do web programming. shit is terribad.

Networking debugging always makes me think of thise: http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

I do mostly web programming :/

NodeJS is fun

if you're good enough at it you can make good scratch but don't get stuck is all

What should I move to?

it's a treadmill

you move to whatever is trendo

Isn't the web getting trendo?

RoR was popular 5 years ago and now it's shiet right

Everybody is making SaaS stuff

yeah idk i'm probably biased.

what do you work on nowadays?

infra stuff, the meta task of spinning up lots of your SaaS webapps

and keeping all the plates in the air, monitored and not pwned by the worst enemy: ourselves

accidentally pwning your webapps?

it happens

people aren't that good

I got a piece of software running in the wild

someone bought it

It's made to download spotify songs with a web interface

The input for the url is directly pipped into command line as root

without input santization

It's not pwned yet!

there's a laundry list of stuff you watch out for but yeah i mean, your rinkydink app probabilistically isn't an attractive target to anyone besides folks hunting for trophies right

there's xss stuff in addition to input sql / stack smash attacks or whatever

but i was actually referring to devs who push out malperforming code

it happens way too often, stupid race conditions esp with front end js these days, which is really frustrating because that's tough to run a test for; it's the halting problem etc

but yeah sometimes the old dumb use of ORM knocks down a DB and whoops there goes our weekend

oh so

with AWS there's a cheat code there in the form of being able to feed more horsepower to dynamoDB and such

and that's basically where people fuck themselves

it's enough to make someone want to stop doing tech stuff and go into ... marketing or something. :/

too many incompetents