Message from @TIDE

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2019-02-19 04:51:17 UTC  

it would take someone really brave to try redpilling my parents

2019-02-19 04:51:37 UTC  

my dad loves youtube and is interested in the goofiest people he can find, and that's how i got him to watch Varg. Although he disagrees with Varg he just enjoys seeing weird stuff

2019-02-19 04:52:06 UTC  

My mom actually is kinda open minded and asks me questions about politics sometimes, but she's never gonna agree with my conclusions

2019-02-19 04:52:12 UTC  

My dad is just hostile

2019-02-19 04:53:00 UTC  

nah dude it won't matter

2019-02-19 04:53:27 UTC  

they have a personal investment in not agreeing with these ideas

2019-02-19 04:55:13 UTC  

A good tip might be to remind people that we are only here because over thousands of years our ancestors placed the preservation of their ethnocultural identity above every other concern. It's tautological but not irrational because we exist today as a result of them.

2019-02-19 04:55:28 UTC  

At the same time don't beat yourself to death trying to convert family members.

2019-02-19 04:55:36 UTC  

My sister watches Styx and Review Brah out of the sheer weirdness factor

2019-02-19 04:55:51 UTC  

That's a pretty good talking point

2019-02-19 04:56:36 UTC  

But ya there's some people who just will not agree and they're not worth arguing with

2019-02-19 04:56:48 UTC  

Dissidents today think that it's not possible to create identitarianism in the masses yet it existed forever as the foundation of mainstream appeal and opinion forever.

2019-02-19 04:57:01 UTC  

I agree with Nemetz

2019-02-19 04:57:02 UTC  

oh ya I totally agree

2019-02-19 04:57:05 UTC  

Perhaps under different names and sentiments.

2019-02-19 04:57:37 UTC  

largely no-one cares if you have a well thought out argument tbh

2019-02-19 04:57:53 UTC  

I totally agree that these ideas can be mainstream. But there's also people like my parents who have a deep personal emotional barrier that just realistically cannot be crossed.

2019-02-19 04:58:22 UTC  

And I don't say that lightly. I think most people can be converted.

2019-02-19 04:58:37 UTC  

Then that is why you shouldn't keep repeating yourself if the endeavor is fruitless. 😀

2019-02-19 04:58:51 UTC  

"due ourselves and OUR POSTERITY"
in muh Constitution

2019-02-19 04:58:54 UTC  

by deep emotional barrier, do you just mean years of programming <:really:453005408064241674>

2019-02-19 04:59:19 UTC  

@TIDE @Nemets I would have never come here if not for good arguments. Only brainlets form opinions on social pressure alone.

2019-02-19 04:59:35 UTC  

we're the exceptions

2019-02-19 05:00:03 UTC  

@TIDE No, that's not at all what I mean. My parents didn't even grow up with that programming.

2019-02-19 05:00:52 UTC  

And we need the exceptions because the exceptions are the smart ones.

2019-02-19 05:01:20 UTC  

Not denying that

2019-02-19 05:01:22 UTC  

@Jacob by your own definition most people are "brainlets", then - followers.

Like it or not, we won't win without "brainlets" tacit support.

2019-02-19 05:02:03 UTC  

brainlets rise up

2019-02-19 05:02:18 UTC  

it wasn't so long ago many of us were the same way too

2019-02-19 05:02:53 UTC  

There will become a critical mass where these values are held up by so many that the rest will simply accept them.

2019-02-19 05:03:03 UTC  

^

2019-02-19 05:03:11 UTC  

@Papa Pizzagate Oh I absolutely agree. I would never for a second claim that we don't need those people.

2019-02-19 05:03:25 UTC  

This is again why I prefer emotional arguments over logical ones. I see this as moral because we have the logical backing to our worldview. Your Coulters and Tuckers do this pretty well. Engage in emotional argumentation, but grounded in logic if you dig to the core.

Pathos > Logos

Feelings don't care about your ~~face~~ facts (lol)

2019-02-19 05:03:39 UTC  

@TIDE The same way as what?

2019-02-19 05:03:52 UTC  

normies

2019-02-19 05:04:01 UTC  

we're winning the emotional battle and the logical battle

2019-02-19 05:04:13 UTC  

I was persuaded by facts, but I am... well... <:avtism:359037377919844352> <:avtism:359037377919844352>

2019-02-19 05:04:15 UTC  

@Papa Pizzagate Totally agree. At the same time it's great to know that we also have the facts on our side. They only have emotional arguments.

2019-02-19 05:04:42 UTC  

Feelings best for mass approach

2019-02-19 05:05:01 UTC  

argumentation at its core is really just attempting to make your opponent look dumb, which is supremely pathos

2019-02-19 05:05:41 UTC  

Okay here's the thing about the whole "emotions not facts" thing. Do a little experiment. Have a friend argue facts *and* emotions, while you argue emotions only. You're gonna end up sounding like an idiot tripping over basic questions.

I think this is a false dichotomy, that we need to choose facts OR emotions.