Message from @TIDE

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2019-02-19 04:58:51 UTC  

"due ourselves and OUR POSTERITY"
in muh Constitution

2019-02-19 04:58:54 UTC  

by deep emotional barrier, do you just mean years of programming <:really:453005408064241674>

2019-02-19 04:59:19 UTC  

@TIDE @Nemets I would have never come here if not for good arguments. Only brainlets form opinions on social pressure alone.

2019-02-19 04:59:35 UTC  

we're the exceptions

2019-02-19 05:00:03 UTC  

@TIDE No, that's not at all what I mean. My parents didn't even grow up with that programming.

2019-02-19 05:00:52 UTC  

And we need the exceptions because the exceptions are the smart ones.

2019-02-19 05:01:20 UTC  

Not denying that

2019-02-19 05:01:22 UTC  

@Jacob by your own definition most people are "brainlets", then - followers.

Like it or not, we won't win without "brainlets" tacit support.

2019-02-19 05:02:03 UTC  

brainlets rise up

2019-02-19 05:02:18 UTC  

it wasn't so long ago many of us were the same way too

2019-02-19 05:02:53 UTC  

There will become a critical mass where these values are held up by so many that the rest will simply accept them.

2019-02-19 05:03:03 UTC  

^

2019-02-19 05:03:11 UTC  

@Papa Pizzagate Oh I absolutely agree. I would never for a second claim that we don't need those people.

2019-02-19 05:03:25 UTC  

This is again why I prefer emotional arguments over logical ones. I see this as moral because we have the logical backing to our worldview. Your Coulters and Tuckers do this pretty well. Engage in emotional argumentation, but grounded in logic if you dig to the core.

Pathos > Logos

Feelings don't care about your ~~face~~ facts (lol)

2019-02-19 05:03:39 UTC  

@TIDE The same way as what?

2019-02-19 05:03:52 UTC  

normies

2019-02-19 05:04:01 UTC  

we're winning the emotional battle and the logical battle

2019-02-19 05:04:13 UTC  

I was persuaded by facts, but I am... well... <:avtism:359037377919844352> <:avtism:359037377919844352>

2019-02-19 05:04:15 UTC  

@Papa Pizzagate Totally agree. At the same time it's great to know that we also have the facts on our side. They only have emotional arguments.

2019-02-19 05:04:42 UTC  

Feelings best for mass approach

2019-02-19 05:05:01 UTC  

argumentation at its core is really just attempting to make your opponent look dumb, which is supremely pathos

2019-02-19 05:05:41 UTC  

Okay here's the thing about the whole "emotions not facts" thing. Do a little experiment. Have a friend argue facts *and* emotions, while you argue emotions only. You're gonna end up sounding like an idiot tripping over basic questions.

I think this is a false dichotomy, that we need to choose facts OR emotions.

2019-02-19 05:06:22 UTC  

we weren't promising that you only go on baseless emotion lol

2019-02-19 05:06:26 UTC  

@Jacob well that kind of feeds into what I just said, it's good that we have both. The facts are on our side. If it comes to that we have them in our back pocket.

2019-02-19 05:06:30 UTC  

Claiming the moral high ground, and effectively convincing the watchers that you have the moral high ground, imo is how you get white normies on your side

2019-02-19 05:07:26 UTC  

You can start with an emotionally impactful argument and then follow it up with facts to back up the solution to the problem that you're positing.

2019-02-19 05:07:56 UTC  

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN As was I. I'd venture to say just about everyone here is neuro-atypical (not a bad thing). To arrive at the conclusions we have, one must have an inquisitive thirst for truth as well as process information very critically: IE - filter out propagandist bullshit - pardon my French, which has been fed to (many of) us since kindergarten.

2019-02-19 05:08:00 UTC  

match your opponent. use moral arguments when they do. counter their "facts" with your own

2019-02-19 05:08:09 UTC  

@TIDE Some people get that idea. If we keep pushing the idea that facts are dumb, *you* might understand that that's hyperbole, but not everyone does. Some people take it literally and they try to argue on emotions alone and end up making idiots of themselves when they can't respond to basic counters.

2019-02-19 05:09:15 UTC  

@Papa Pizzagate did you just call me an autist

2019-02-19 05:09:16 UTC  

id be curious to know how everyone scores on Big 5 personality traits

2019-02-19 05:09:19 UTC  

*avtist

2019-02-19 05:09:30 UTC  

Oh hey, fellas.

2019-02-19 05:09:35 UTC  

Having a nice night?

2019-02-19 05:09:45 UTC  

The thing about emotional arguments is that there's almost always a simple response to them. If you try arguing on emotion alone, you'll either go in an infinite circle, or you'll sound dumb when you can't answer a simple question.

2019-02-19 05:09:46 UTC  

👍

2019-02-19 05:09:53 UTC  

im comfy

2019-02-19 05:10:06 UTC  

It is real /comfy hours/

2019-02-19 05:10:20 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/547283776468680714/giphy.gif

2019-02-19 05:10:36 UTC  

You really are reddit, aren't you?

2019-02-19 05:10:45 UTC  

Like if you're just gonna say "but Kate Steinle" then they're just gonna counter that immigrants have lower crime rates and you're gonna be sitting there awkwardly