I'm actually PST I just didn't want to type 0am because that's awkward

lol fair

Zero hour is best

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@OreoToast What enforces the laws of mathmatics?

I use 24/h time

@Durpyturttle that is a question even quantum physicists have yet to answer. as far as i know, they are simply just properties of the universe. nobody decided them, they just are.

But we know for a fact you can't make 1 from 0 without some sort of intervention

So what would you propose that intervention was?

I mean what's more possible a god getting created from nothing? Or just a big burst of energy

i am not a physicist, i can't answer that question but i do not believe that this intervention you allege was "divine".

A big burst of energy from nothing?

A complex being like a god from nothing????

there are too many possibilities for what caused the creation of the universe

So what tells you it wasnt devine @OreoToast

what tells you it was?

Where did the burst of energy come from? Where did the planets , stars etc come from? Because in order to make the things in the universe you NEED the things in the universe.

You obviously can't just rule it out like you're trying to

no i can't

I mean use logic here god couldn't have made the laws of the universe because the laws of the universe allows creatures to think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IispWD9I6a8&t=774s

if there was proof presented to me, i would reconsider but i can not believe that a divine entity is responsible for the existence of the universe

No one knows where God came from we just know that he is. My point is the big bang and GOD require the same amount of faith...so your believe in the big bang is your relgion. God is mine

Again just saying

how do we know it wasn't because of me sneezing too hard in an alternate reality?

how do we know it wasn't just random?

Well you understand that mathmatically it is still contingently possible correct?

Simple pathway energy > matter > hydrogen > stars. Stars blow up, gas and solids. Bigger stars blow up, things come together boom planets

possible? yes. is it a theory i hold to be the truth? no.

April and just as simple to disprove

Where did the energy come from, start there

Disprove it

So what are you more inclined to then @OreoToast

Tell me where the enrgy came from

and then the matter

Well people don't know everything

random chance is what i believe. like i said, there are too many possibilities

then they hydrogen because in order to get all those things, you need the universe to have them

and also like i said

Yeah but where did the universe come from
@Brian (Fourth Amendment)

if there was to be proof presented to me that it was something else, i would reconsider my belief