Message from @RogueReflector

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2019-10-15 02:47:12 UTC  

Hey haven’t lol

2019-10-15 02:47:18 UTC  

He couldn't reconcile being wrong

2019-10-15 02:48:34 UTC  

"scientists" have only calculated the distance by using the hubble law (for far distant stars) and *maybe* some triangulation (I don't really know) for nearer stars

2019-10-15 02:48:51 UTC  

@SunRazor stellar paralax

2019-10-15 02:48:52 UTC  

@RogueReflector be careful, don't start name calling

2019-10-15 02:49:12 UTC  

yea stellar paralax

2019-10-15 02:49:31 UTC  

either way, it's calculating using models

2019-10-15 02:49:55 UTC  

I don't think we can really measure the distance to stars

2019-10-15 02:50:17 UTC  

That's based on measurements

2019-10-15 02:50:39 UTC  

U need to know the size of something or the distance to it to find out the one measurem t u don’t have

2019-10-15 02:50:58 UTC  

the measurements that are made, I might not doubt their accuracy... but it's the models used that I question

2019-10-15 02:51:33 UTC  

@jeremy ya, that's not true

2019-10-15 02:51:45 UTC  

You can do it with two angles and a distance

2019-10-15 02:51:52 UTC  

stellar paralax? fine, I can accept that. But the hubble law is founded on assumptions

2019-10-15 02:52:08 UTC  

The red shift thing?

2019-10-15 02:52:14 UTC  

yep

2019-10-15 02:52:23 UTC  

Ya I gotta read about that

2019-10-15 02:52:34 UTC  

I think it's corraborated in another way

2019-10-15 02:52:47 UTC  

Like the size of the objects has certain things going on

2019-10-15 02:52:52 UTC  

If I cut a circle out of cardboard go@in a field and u don’t know how far away I am I can tell the size of the circle ?

2019-10-15 02:53:02 UTC  

Yes,

2019-10-15 02:53:07 UTC  

U can tell ?

2019-10-15 02:53:14 UTC  

Wanna know how?

2019-10-15 02:53:25 UTC  

I doubt u could

2019-10-15 02:53:29 UTC  

But go ahead

2019-10-15 02:53:32 UTC  

I can tell you

2019-10-15 02:53:39 UTC  

Go tell me

2019-10-15 02:53:42 UTC  

Please

2019-10-15 02:54:04 UTC  

I can stand in one spot and zero out my pointer , targeting the object

2019-10-15 02:54:12 UTC  

Ok

2019-10-15 02:54:25 UTC  

Then walk 45 ft to the right, and read my pointers new angle

2019-10-15 02:54:25 UTC  

Ur pointer ?

2019-10-15 02:54:38 UTC  

Yes a device that tells me the angle I'm pointing

2019-10-15 02:54:55 UTC  

I have a right triangle then

2019-10-15 02:55:19 UTC  

And angle and a side of the triangle, boom I can calc the distance

2019-10-15 02:55:30 UTC  

Then I can measure the angular size of the object

2019-10-15 02:55:38 UTC  

Then calc its actual size

2019-10-15 02:55:49 UTC  

This device

2019-10-15 02:55:50 UTC  

@RogueReflector as I mentioned before, there are two sources of redshift: The most obvious source of redshift is doppler (including time dilation due to special relativity); the less obvious source of redshift is gravitational, which depends on gravitational potential (confirmed through the Harvard Tower Experiment, and similarly repeated experiments).

2019-10-15 02:55:54 UTC  

Is a sextant ?

2019-10-15 02:56:03 UTC  

@jeremy nah a theodolite is better