Message from @Benzmiller
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i guess lower being Sanders
That's classical marxism and a core feature of straight communism, try again
that's your definition. i've asked many socialists what socialism is and they all give me different answers because muh "it wasn't real socialism"
I think your idea of socialists is actually commies and your idea of commies is stalinism
there is massive overlap between socialism and communism
I run on textbook definitions and more tranditional academic delineations
>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]
What you're saying is "communism and stalinism" which do heavily overlap
that text book definition is still agreeing with what i said
Unions are socialist
Medicare is socialist
yeah
State planning is communist
Are we to kill an unionists?
Kill modern unions and let the traditional shop by shop unions return, I would say, these corporate amalgamated unions are trash
I'd rather avoid killing altogether honestly.
you think communist is strictly state planned, yet anarcho communists would disagree
Anarcho-Communism is a pipe dream.
Benz, social ownership does not necessarily include the state unless you ascribe to the ConAnaCom interpretation of the American Republic
i didn't say there was anything sane about anarcho-communism
i guess i could clear it up by specifically being against political socialists in this case
So you clearly disagree with your own method of interp- ah, but i still think you're mistakenly shuffling terms
socialists can go be voluntarily socialists for all i care, it'll just crumble anyway, but when they try to take my money into it is when they need to fuck off
Agreed
i meant political socialists from the beginning but i didn't communicate that well
because i was talking about nazism
Representation has become too dilute not to reconsider voluntary line item taxation
...you wot, m8
*natsoc out of left field*
Gtg
natsoc out of left field?
that was the original question
U natsoc?
me? no
Okay
i was just arguing against it
We're generally more libertarian, but Natsocs do come here
i'm reallly really right wing