but restricting social freedom, even by stigma, has an effect of discouraging general freedom

@Finesse I guess you can advertise throat fucking to female vocalists as some weird exercise

hot

still not recommended ahahah

so by outlawing rape, I'm encouraging the suppression of other freedoms?

honestly I would recommend

or murder, or what have you

You can never recommend degeneratus

not really

rape violates other people's freedom

hol up

doing crack in an alleyway doesn't violate anyone else's rights

#VoluntaryRape

i dont operate under the premise that freedom is inherently virtuous

neither do i

then why use the NAP argument

but rape is a very different type of crime/degeneracy than doing crack

it implies that it is virtuous

@Anarchyng Of course, you know me. Always trying to SMASH the patriarchy. Trying to further female empowerment through assisting them in their goals, such as female vocalists; as you have mentioned.

I didn't imply that it's always virtuos, however social freedom is a goal

@Finesse its funny cause you know that this is exactly how some guys got laid. Took something they wanted to do and wrapped it in female "empowerment"

that said I don't know much about the NAP so if I'm unknowingly arguing in favor of it please enlighten me

but why is social freedom a goal if it isn't virtuous? shouldn't a functioning society be a higher goal?

ok

"Trust me, sweetheart, if it wasn't for the patriarchy you'd be able to share me with your girlfriends."

the patriarchy is gay

the NAP implies that as long as you don't violate other's freedoms you may do as you please. this only functions off of the premise that the NAP, and by proxy, social freedom, is inherently virtuous

sure, i guess I agree with the NAP then

so in doing that you /do/ think freedom is inherently a virtue

sure

@Guan the (((NAP))) was the best thing I woke up from, it only works if the behaviors people engage in are not harmful to the society which creates that freedom in the first place

I mean i'm highkey a hedonist so take that with a grain of salt

exactly @Anarchyng i was ancap then i took the traditionalist pill

I

fuck traditionalism

but yeah i don't think freedom is the highest moral good, i think that a society should be going for other goods

*still an anarchist, but i know that if it is possible to have a stateless society it would only be with extreme traditionalism for lack of a better word

why fuck traditionalism?

yes i agree

which is why i think it's only necessary to culturally discourage rather than to outlaw

traditionalism implies that it is virtuous to do something just because it's traditional