TDOTR*

I have to leave now, we can continue discussing this at a later time. However I'll finish on the note that anyone who leans National Socialist shouldn't take issue with centrist economic policies.

Bernie Sanders' policies are center-left in practice. Not really that radical.

and hmmmm... i really wonder who pushes student loans... really makes me think 🤔

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and no they aren't, they are far left

Trump's policies are center, the argument for both center right and center left can be made

economically speaking

>socializing schools

Socialism is far left. What Bernie Sanders actually proposes (free college, healthcare, raising marginal income tax rates) isn't even socialist.

>center left

>socializing college

>socializing healthcare

>raising income taxes to EU tier rates

>center left

anon

Yes. Those things are center-left.

my god

someone demote him from trusted member

this is degenerate

Unless you think European countries, even ones like Sweden, are literally Socialist. Hint: they're not.

they are

first off

If you think the US isn't already socialist, they are

we are*

hwat

>social security

>medicare

Sweden is not a Socialist state

No they aren't. Read the Wikipedia article on socialism if you aren't quite sure what it entails.

>means haven't been siezed

therefore not socialist

@Iamawesom That's communism, actually.

i know exactly what socialism is, if youre using the term """democratic socialists""" terms, we are socialist, if you use the term as Karl Marx intended it to be used, we aren't

Well Socialism is just communism lite

also "to each according to his contributions" is the Socialist model

Socialism is means to an end (that end being communism).

exactly

and what do you think the end goal of socializing institutions that take up a large portion of the economy is, exactly?

Democratic Socialism is a different flavor of Socialism. Sweden is a Social Democracy

aka a welfare state