there's a specific purpose for the jewish state

It's to bring in their "messiah"

I heard of these so called "messiahs" but never understood what they are

let me geuss

their pagan god

A man who will proclaim himself to be God

The jews await this man

This is why they didn't accept Jesus

how the hell would they know?

They believed that he did not fit the prophesies

Because this man will fulfill the prophecies in the Talmud and Zohar

Ancient Kabbalistic prophecies

o wow

I am going to post my piece on intercession

shit well if i existed back then i geuss i could be their messiah

just wear a wig and a beard

Since saints are not God, we do not pray to them but ask for them to intercede on our behalf. As James says, "The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful." (James 5:16) Saints, perfected in heaven are the perfect example of someone to ask to intercede. Now let us splice the point of the dead into several verses here. We are instructed that God is but the God of the living, using the late Israelite patriarchs for example in verses from Matthew 22:31-32. This is enough to posit the dead are just as alive if not more by being perfect in heaven and being filled with righteousness. Another important thing to note is the Transfiguration wherein Jesus talks to an earthly aware Moses and Elijah. Death is clearly not separating those in Heaven from Earth, nor witnessing and being aware of the world as in Hebrews 12:1.
Now onto these so called verses that are misconstrued that are clearly actualized requests for intercessions in Heaven.

[Revelation 5:8]
[Revelation 8:3-5]
[Luke 15:7-10

[Luke 15:7-10]

this idea of "praying to the dead" is a bald faced lie

@el pebble so your catholic right?

I am catholic insofar as holding the Apostolic church as true

so you believe in 3 deities that form god

3 deities?

what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

this tells me nothing

are you talking about the trinity?

you believe in the trinity

yes

Yes I do believe in the trinity

and it is not 3 deities

It is three persons of one divinity

one indivisible essence

I do not get the concept of the trinity

then look up an explanation

so its a father a child and god?

it's the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father

what about a daughter