@Bogatyr Bogumir

I'm still feeling some salt

Come at me next time with some real facts

Using people’s desires for meaning in life to take their money and give them fairy tales and placebo isn’t dishonest?

@Victor Von Doom

We aren’t talking about Scientology, that is a cult. We are talking about religions.

And what is this fairytale nonsense?
Was Snow White a real figure in history? No.
Was Jesus? Yes.
Fairytales and religion aren’t comparable.
Every religion at the very least is built upon some sort of real world fact(s). Fairytales have no real world foundation and are openly told as lessons and not real events. Each religion states that it is a fact.

@Abiss How can you say religion steals money when it has missions trips and churches being built with tithes. But certain government spending is unknown yet you pay taxes and do not question the officials which take them.

I didn’t make any claims about governments, you’re misdirecting.
Mission trips and churches = proof religions don’t take advantage of people for money? I want to understand clearly- is that what you are saying?

I am saying that when money is given charitably to a church it serves a purpose which is transparent and obvious. Besides meager pay for the pastor to live off of, even more meager if they have a family, all money donated goes towards growing the religion. The religion's leaders don't benefit from it.

Christianity is a cult too ngl

How so?

Churches can essentialy use scummy tactics, however in the idea of the religion, particularly christianity, its all charity. The church will then use these funds and organize missions, helping the poor or sick, donations towardshospitals or even funding of schools that need money. The church essentially used to be the ultimate lolbertarian private charity org. With govorment handouts and seperation of it from state 100% this has changed and the church in general has an issue of corruption that runs very deep ad very wide.

However as Victor said, the church is blatently transparent where its spending the money. If its keeping it its obvious. secular institutions simply dont have this, its simply less evident.

I suppose this depends what country we are talking about, but in the US it is pretty much the opposite of what you are saying about transparency. A church gets automatic charity status, thus paying no taxes, and has no obligation to report on what it does with its money. Basically a money laundering dream come true. I don’t think you need my help finding examples of very wealthy ministers bragging about it. A non-religious charity org in the US has to prove itself to the fed to get status, and also report on all its money every year to avoid taxes. There is no such standard for churches in the US.

I don’t see how you can speak so universally about ‘the church’. There are so many and so varied. Are you familiar with the Vatican Bank?

Daily <@&516817984782729217> Question <:PraiseGod:484196233020440586>

- Can one be Moral without being religious?

yeah

No

No

No

yeah, but not society

potentially, but you would do it wholly by accident and it would be unlikely

No

@AnarchoReign are you saying some individuals can be but others are not capable without a religious rule set, or are are you saying as a group a society needs a unifying structure for morality and that is always or can be religion?

@Abiss there will always be exceptions to rules, but society as a whole requires religion to avoid degeneracy and slouch into liberalist values of "do as you please", while some don't require religion to hold traditional moral values, there is not a single society on earth that can hold them without religion and that is because most people don't have the time, passion, or intellect to "reason" why they're important

@Bogatyr Bogumir , Christianity as a religion is inherently anti-charity.

yes but one can never scientifically prove why its bad to do things like crime

empathy

Or just, y'know

altruism

It's prevalent in most animal species

It helps ya fuck

or get fucked

religion doesn't even prove it either

It just mandates it

If one solely acts decently, abstaining from terrible crimes due to only their faith

they're a shitty person

Empathy is an evolved trait

It helps to work together as a group

Why would you act decently and not selfishly if you lack the morals and purpose which religion gives you?

If there is no Universal force that judges you or rather that define the morał axis then morality become arbitrary and can simply become a tool to justofy anything. Religion mandatem a common morał code an ethical code that is agreed upon and derived from the concept of God. Can a non religious person be good morally, only insofar as they under stand what having objective morals mandates. And morality is objective. An example of why the concept of God is necessary is because on a jbp video we See often, vegans as well define morality based on sufdering when sufdering is not a good measurement for morality as thenhedonism and selfishness are absolutely okay. It removes any sort of more esoteric or i direct question you can pose with morality and allows for shifting the definitions of tjings to become arbitrary.

yes