but anyone can have morals

because, uh

everyone has empathy

every religion has relatively similar morals in many areas

Which were derived from the basics of empathy

I mean, either that or there's some universal god which gave us said base morals

In which case, deism is really the only logical religion

@Bogatyr Bogumir interesting perspective. Are you a deontologist? Do morals have goal for you?

@Alice Redacted deism is not a religion, just a position on the god question I would think

@Victor Von Doom because it is the right thing to do.

Could someone come to the same morals religion gives you on their own, without the religion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_ignorance

^^^
a way to decide moral rules without a god, just logic+knowledge

@Abiss No, you cannot be moral without God.

That’s the claim, can you demonstrate?

All morals derive from God, more than not a Godless moral society has had a religion in it's past or knowledge of one well enough to know it's moral code.

To prove that religion is not needed for morality, you'd need to take religion and all knowledge/memory of it out of the equation. Rejection of religion is still acknowledgment of it.

And to do so is virtually impossible in the modern world.

@Abiss

That’s a good argument that it is unlikely for a species to develop morals without also developing religion along side it (the details of how they relate over said time could potentially vary quite a bit). It says nothing about being able to have morals without god.

Do you mean:
-you cannot be moral without the existence of god to create morality
Or
-morality cannot develop without the idea of god
?

Both.

Islam best

Daily <@&516817984782729217> Question <:PraiseGod:484196233020440586>

- Do we have free will? Or is everything predetermined by God? Or a mix of both?

no free will

both

Mix of both

God is gay.

We have free will

but there is still fate

@Koninos stop calling urself God that's heretic

Individual free will is the will of god, everybody's path is decided by themselves through god.

God doesnt directly determine u to hell

@Decay Look here, faggot, the Homosexuals is more than 1 person.

Good luck creating a new insult, perhaps better too, next time.

ok

why would anybody know the answer to that question

Anything anybody answers is only a guess

both, just because things are determined for everyone from birth to death doesn't mean the person isn't making a choice - the fact that they are capable of making another choice is sufficient for free will to exist

We already had this, but generally it depends on what we assume of god, if god is omnipiscent he knows all, including the future. However we have free will in that we dont know the future and therefore make decisions that are goign to occur anyway, and our decisions are going to be something in essence predetermined. Our knowing of the future, if we could, would also mean that we would still come to the point that we saw, the initiating factor beign seeing the future.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515376401017470982/531217553738039307/696e666322e44a51c32881ffefcf8664.png

http://ocl.org/pew-study-reveals-critical-decline-in-orthodox-religious-membership/