Message from @The Big Oof

Discord ID: 488124690712231956


2018-09-08 22:46:15 UTC  

What even are European values?

2018-09-08 22:46:21 UTC  

Do you mean catholic feudal values?

2018-09-08 22:46:37 UTC  

Or the pagan tribal values?

2018-09-08 22:46:54 UTC  

perhaps even the reformation - that value which encouraged change and reform in society

2018-09-08 22:47:19 UTC  

or maybe the enlightenment, how Europeans criticized authority and the current societal order

2018-09-08 22:47:51 UTC  

Maybe even the libertarian values, the liberal values which espoused absolute freedom in all regards

2018-09-08 22:48:10 UTC  

but then again, there's always the chance you mean the totalist values, which placed the state above all, discouraging dissent

2018-09-08 22:48:36 UTC  

Or maybe... Communism, which had its roots in Europe - do you think those values should be held to?

2018-09-08 22:49:02 UTC  

ah, but then again, neo-liberal values exist, too...

2018-09-08 22:50:17 UTC  

and how has the cosmopolitan not treated european states too well?

2018-09-08 22:50:23 UTC  

The standard of living has only boomed...

2018-09-08 23:07:59 UTC  

^^^

2018-09-08 23:08:32 UTC  

if we're being honest then 'european values' are whatever the person using the term wants them to be

2018-09-08 23:09:42 UTC  

Values is the incorrect term

2018-09-08 23:09:52 UTC  

The correct wording should be self pride

2018-09-08 23:11:10 UTC  

@SilverLining Define cosmopolitan

2018-09-08 23:12:54 UTC  

The real problem with Europe is the feeling of self hatred over the sins of the past, even though none of those were exclusive to Europe, Europe was simply the region of the world that was able to carry them out ona global scale

2018-09-08 23:12:59 UTC  

essentially, a set of believes defining all humans as equal

2018-09-08 23:13:03 UTC  

hmm

2018-09-08 23:13:09 UTC  

"none of those were exclusive to Europe"

2018-09-08 23:13:15 UTC  

>muh holocaust

2018-09-08 23:13:20 UTC  

can you tell me which non-european nation

2018-09-08 23:13:21 UTC  

I'm going to wait for it

2018-09-08 23:13:25 UTC  

well, sure, genocide too, go for that

2018-09-08 23:13:26 UTC  

Here it comes

2018-09-08 23:13:30 UTC  

it's coming

2018-09-08 23:13:43 UTC  

>muh colonialism

2018-09-08 23:13:44 UTC  

is next

2018-09-08 23:13:46 UTC  

... can you maybe not?

2018-09-08 23:14:11 UTC  

Well you're about to say something retarded, I'm only helping you in avoiding the embarrassment @SilverLining

2018-09-08 23:14:14 UTC  

You should be thanking me

2018-09-08 23:14:21 UTC  

anyhow, I was going to discuss the brutality of imperialism

2018-09-08 23:14:25 UTC  

I was right

2018-09-08 23:14:31 UTC  

and that proves?

2018-09-08 23:14:38 UTC  

I could point out you saying "But ottomans, moth!"

2018-09-08 23:14:41 UTC  

and that'd mean nothing

2018-09-08 23:14:46 UTC  

Nothing, it just paints a picture of what kind of person you are in my head

2018-09-08 23:14:53 UTC  

(even though the ottomans actually were pretty benevolent under the millet system)

2018-09-08 23:14:58 UTC  

okay, so your point against that is?

2018-09-08 23:15:04 UTC  

also, it's not really anti-european to point that out

2018-09-08 23:15:12 UTC  

it's just pointing out a historical truth