Message from @The Big Oof
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What even are European values?
Do you mean catholic feudal values?
Or the pagan tribal values?
perhaps even the reformation - that value which encouraged change and reform in society
or maybe the enlightenment, how Europeans criticized authority and the current societal order
Maybe even the libertarian values, the liberal values which espoused absolute freedom in all regards
but then again, there's always the chance you mean the totalist values, which placed the state above all, discouraging dissent
Or maybe... Communism, which had its roots in Europe - do you think those values should be held to?
ah, but then again, neo-liberal values exist, too...
and how has the cosmopolitan not treated european states too well?
The standard of living has only boomed...
^^^
if we're being honest then 'european values' are whatever the person using the term wants them to be
Values is the incorrect term
The correct wording should be self pride
@SilverLining Define cosmopolitan
The real problem with Europe is the feeling of self hatred over the sins of the past, even though none of those were exclusive to Europe, Europe was simply the region of the world that was able to carry them out ona global scale
essentially, a set of believes defining all humans as equal
hmm
"none of those were exclusive to Europe"
can you tell me which non-european nation
I'm going to wait for it
well, sure, genocide too, go for that
Here it comes
it's coming
>muh colonialism
is next
... can you maybe not?
Well you're about to say something retarded, I'm only helping you in avoiding the embarrassment @SilverLining
You should be thanking me
anyhow, I was going to discuss the brutality of imperialism
I was right
and that proves?
I could point out you saying "But ottomans, moth!"
and that'd mean nothing
Nothing, it just paints a picture of what kind of person you are in my head
(even though the ottomans actually were pretty benevolent under the millet system)
okay, so your point against that is?
also, it's not really anti-european to point that out
it's just pointing out a historical truth