Message from @The Big Oof
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I mean you can form a state based o ethnic lines, for example Poland is majority, and I mean 80% + lechite tribe descendants, with Kaszubians and potentially sillesians thrown into the mix. Other than that we are one tribe one ethnicity and generaly when speaking of values and culture, they have to be tied to a forefather myth or legend, something to tie them down and make them real, otherwise they will change literally every generation. People need a sense that they are incarnation of a set of values and culture of their forefathers (which they are) than simply a set of esoteric values that have well, nowhere to be pinned down to.
I do agree in the autonomy part inso much that related, however not necessarily closely related, ethnicities should have some proper representation such that they simply dont feel isolated or dwarfed or suffocated adn as such want to participate in the commonwealth.
"People need a sense that they are incarnation of a set of values and culture of their forefathers (which they are) than simply a set of esoteric values that have well, nowhere to be pinned down to. "
Why?
Nobody actually follows the values of their forefathers at this point
The alternative is the Cosmopolitan worldview. And well that hasn't treated European nations too well
And plus it seems to be those of European descent (whether as a side product or malicious intent) have abandoned their values.
Those of African, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Latin American descent hold on to their values
What even are European values?
Do you mean catholic feudal values?
Or the pagan tribal values?
perhaps even the reformation - that value which encouraged change and reform in society
or maybe the enlightenment, how Europeans criticized authority and the current societal order
Maybe even the libertarian values, the liberal values which espoused absolute freedom in all regards
but then again, there's always the chance you mean the totalist values, which placed the state above all, discouraging dissent
Or maybe... Communism, which had its roots in Europe - do you think those values should be held to?
ah, but then again, neo-liberal values exist, too...
and how has the cosmopolitan not treated european states too well?
The standard of living has only boomed...
^^^
if we're being honest then 'european values' are whatever the person using the term wants them to be
Values is the incorrect term
@SilverLining Define cosmopolitan
The real problem with Europe is the feeling of self hatred over the sins of the past, even though none of those were exclusive to Europe, Europe was simply the region of the world that was able to carry them out ona global scale
essentially, a set of believes defining all humans as equal
hmm
"none of those were exclusive to Europe"
>muh holocaust
can you tell me which non-european nation
I'm going to wait for it
well, sure, genocide too, go for that
Here it comes
it's coming
>muh colonialism
is next
... can you maybe not?
Well you're about to say something retarded, I'm only helping you in avoiding the embarrassment @SilverLining
You should be thanking me
anyhow, I was going to discuss the brutality of imperialism
I was right
and that proves?
I could point out you saying "But ottomans, moth!"