if we're being honest then 'european values' are whatever the person using the term wants them to be

Values is the incorrect term

The correct wording should be self pride

@SilverLining Define cosmopolitan

The real problem with Europe is the feeling of self hatred over the sins of the past, even though none of those were exclusive to Europe, Europe was simply the region of the world that was able to carry them out ona global scale

essentially, a set of believes defining all humans as equal

hmm

"none of those were exclusive to Europe"

>muh holocaust

can you tell me which non-european nation

I'm going to wait for it

well, sure, genocide too, go for that

Here it comes

it's coming

>muh colonialism

is next

... can you maybe not?

Well you're about to say something retarded, I'm only helping you in avoiding the embarrassment @SilverLining

You should be thanking me

anyhow, I was going to discuss the brutality of imperialism

I was right

and that proves?

I could point out you saying "But ottomans, moth!"

and that'd mean nothing

Nothing, it just paints a picture of what kind of person you are in my head

(even though the ottomans actually were pretty benevolent under the millet system)

okay, so your point against that is?

also, it's not really anti-european to point that out

it's just pointing out a historical truth

@SilverLining Japan for one

if any other ethnicity were in europe, then yes, they'd do the same thing

China

Vietnam

Japan modeled its government off of European states

Vietnam to this day oppresses ethnic minorities

As do most countries, actually

and I'm not justifying that?

>can you tell me which non-european nation

>Wow dude, you're such an idiot for proving me wrong

On the same extent and scale, razor.

which non-european nation invaded four other continents and suppressed the natives