Message from @The Big Oof
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Define what you mean by triumph @SilverLining
That's a different question than "is it good"
Snake betrays razor haha
If your nation starts killing its people, for example, then it's okay not to align with it, lol
What if you nation stops killing people?
why must it dominate all other loyalties?
I think THAT'S when I'd overthrow it for being inept
It shouldnt
You're using vague terms here
what if its other policies are objectionable?
not really
I am interested to hear razor's reasoning
Your original question
Was
"Why is having dissidents and disloyal people bad?"
lol
hmmmmmmmmmmm
I wonder
That is a different question @SilverLining
right, and that's the first in a string of questions
you said it's bad because it underlines national unity
because it harms the nation
Group cohesion to be more general
I'm questioning why "the nation" should lie above every other loyalty
It shouldn't
Exactly
The nation can actively work against an individual
Ah, but now we're delving into individual vs collective
If I'm an 18th century factory worker, you bet I'm going to be a dissident
So you'll lose me as an ally here
oh, not that entirely
I can get some group loyalties
I just don't view "the nation" as the highest loyalty
as the nation can oppose an individual's beliefs
I had a similar discussion earlier in the chat text channel
@SilverLining The nation is the highest loyalty if your nation is a nation-state
okay, the state
my bad
Assuming, you know