Eh, not really

How would you describe yourself philosophically

I'm a utilitarian

Well that's where the disagreement lies.

I am not and I assume razor isnt either

So naturally a utilitarian wont value group cohesion the way razor and I do

But, as I was mentioning earlier...

Why should I place my loyalty in a backwoods farmer with different philosophical, ideological, and religious views than me, though does belong to my nation

Over someone, who is likewise an urbanite and shares a common philosophy, ideology, and religion, but just so happens to be a different ethnicity?

Because the backwoods farmer would most likely defend you if your country was attacked, first of all

@SilverLining if you're a utilitarian you shouldn't.

Easy

Wheras the urbanite would most likely defend his ethnic kin first

All we can do here is debate first principles themselves

Its like we're trying to speak different languages

Why should I defend a nation which holds different ideological and philosophical principles than me?

You shouldn't.

You don't really have to

**fixed question

But you should defend your country

The state is a means to an end

Both people and governments should hold the right principles and if you do and your government doesn't then you should attempt to fix this

Assuming the invaders have a just reason and are more in line with my ideology...

What are the invaders there for?

"Just reason" is subjective

I mean, it's a case to case basis

For example, let's just go to the nazi germany circa 1945

Supposing I'm...

Invaders are almost there to spread their influence

a lesbian, communist german

Who's somehow managed to make it this far

Should I defend the german homeland, the german people, even though if I did so, I'd likely be persecuted after making my effort

A communist doesn't value ethic blood so no

^

eh, fine

just a lesbian german

there we go

Again the subject of debate has to be WHAT are the right principles

I wouldn't be killed, mind you

And why

Communists are inherently internationalist, aside from some fringe movements like National Bolshevism