Message from @The Big Oof

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2018-09-09 00:07:29 UTC  

Assuming the invaders have a just reason and are more in line with my ideology...

2018-09-09 00:07:47 UTC  

What are the invaders there for?

2018-09-09 00:07:54 UTC  

"Just reason" is subjective

2018-09-09 00:08:03 UTC  

I mean, it's a case to case basis

2018-09-09 00:08:20 UTC  

For example, let's just go to the nazi germany circa 1945

2018-09-09 00:08:23 UTC  

Supposing I'm...

2018-09-09 00:08:30 UTC  

Invaders are almost there to spread their influence

2018-09-09 00:08:31 UTC  

a lesbian, communist german

2018-09-09 00:08:39 UTC  

Who's somehow managed to make it this far

2018-09-09 00:09:01 UTC  

Should I defend the german homeland, the german people, even though if I did so, I'd likely be persecuted after making my effort

2018-09-09 00:09:16 UTC  

A communist doesn't value ethic blood so no

2018-09-09 00:09:20 UTC  

^

2018-09-09 00:09:24 UTC  

eh, fine

2018-09-09 00:09:28 UTC  

just a lesbian german

2018-09-09 00:09:29 UTC  

there we go

2018-09-09 00:09:33 UTC  

Again the subject of debate has to be WHAT are the right principles

2018-09-09 00:09:34 UTC  

I wouldn't be killed, mind you

2018-09-09 00:09:35 UTC  

And why

2018-09-09 00:09:41 UTC  

Communists are inherently internationalist, aside from some fringe movements like National Bolshevism

2018-09-09 00:09:58 UTC  

Still, I'm asking in your set of beliefs

2018-09-09 00:09:59 UTC  

Even then

2018-09-09 00:10:01 UTC  

Should I?

2018-09-09 00:10:06 UTC  

Would it be the "right" thing to do?

2018-09-09 00:10:19 UTC  

Even though my nation directly violates all my personal beliefs

2018-09-09 00:10:37 UTC  

Is morality subjective

2018-09-09 00:10:47 UTC  

"Should I defend the german homeland, the german people, even though if I did so, I'd likely be persecuted after making my effort"

This is a bit irrelevant, but to you would actually probably be spared

2018-09-09 00:10:51 UTC  

The answer to that question determines the answer to yours

2018-09-09 00:10:58 UTC  

Hitler spared Jews and also let blacks fight in his army

2018-09-09 00:11:04 UTC  

*some Jews

2018-09-09 00:11:14 UTC  

But it's irrelevant

2018-09-09 00:11:19 UTC  

If morality is objective then your personal beliefs are irrelevant to what is right

2018-09-09 00:11:21 UTC  

The jews he spared were generally only used in administration roles in aiding the holocaust

2018-09-09 00:11:25 UTC  

Morality is subjective

2018-09-09 00:11:40 UTC  

I'm not interested in debating Hitler right now. It has nothing to do with principles

2018-09-09 00:11:51 UTC  

I do agree it's subjective, though

2018-09-09 00:11:59 UTC  

@The Big Oof intersting, then why on earth do you oppose Moth?

2018-09-09 00:12:03 UTC  

I'm merely questioning your morality

2018-09-09 00:12:13 UTC  

I can understand questioning the morality of others, even if it is subjective

2018-09-09 00:12:16 UTC  

If its subjective then the lesbian should follow her personal beliefs

2018-09-09 00:12:29 UTC  

Since to her this is moral and there's no objective morality

2018-09-09 00:12:37 UTC  

That's what would happen