Message from @The Big Oof

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2018-09-09 00:42:04 UTC  

If you ignore the material aspect to claim you aren't a materialist that seems like sophistry to me.

2018-09-09 00:42:05 UTC  

The only logical conclusion of my moral system is not materialism haha

2018-09-09 00:42:43 UTC  

The way you described it is exactly materialist. At this point I'm just repeating myself.

2018-09-09 00:42:50 UTC  

A good moral system should be able to account for the material world and argue based on it.

2018-09-09 00:42:55 UTC  

You don't have to deny the existence of immaterial reality to believe in my moral system

2018-09-09 00:43:02 UTC  

@Snakeisninja Is it ethical for a person to reproduce if their children will have serious diseases or disabilities?

2018-09-09 00:43:14 UTC  

Therefore the only logical conclusion of my moral system is not materialism

2018-09-09 00:43:43 UTC  

@The Big Oof based on what moral system? The moral system of the group that person belongs to or mine?

2018-09-09 00:43:57 UTC  

That's actually an interesting question

2018-09-09 00:44:17 UTC  

They normally shouldn't

2018-09-09 00:44:34 UTC  

Babies with down syndrome should also be aborted and it should be a legal requirement tbh

2018-09-09 00:44:38 UTC  

but I digress

2018-09-09 00:44:41 UTC  

You said the purpose of an organism is to spread its genes and this is the basis for morality. You argue that anything that isn't biologically utilitarian is immoral. This is fucking materialism. No way no how around it. If at any point I misrepresented you please explain why and how.

2018-09-09 00:44:53 UTC  

I think the problem is saying that they will have mental illness/disease

2018-09-09 00:45:10 UTC  

@The Big Oof so your morality, which you stated earlier was subjective, is that aborting your own children is moral?

2018-09-09 00:45:11 UTC  

It is a matter of probability

2018-09-09 00:45:36 UTC  

@Snakeisninja Aborting a baby with down syndrome is not the same as aborting a healthy baby

2018-09-09 00:45:58 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз I've explained at length why you misunderstand what materialism is. I see no reason to repeat myself again.

2018-09-09 00:46:05 UTC  

That is where the subjectivity comes in, because I would say in almost every circumstance it would be immoral

2018-09-09 00:46:10 UTC  

Guess you're just bad at explaining things.

2018-09-09 00:46:12 UTC  

aside from ones similar to the above

2018-09-09 00:46:35 UTC  

Fine, I will repost it again not sure what good that will do. This is the last time

2018-09-09 00:47:00 UTC  

materialism posits that everything is reducible to matter so to speak
I do not believe that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.
I believe that matter is ONE fundamental substance in nature along with the imaterial

2018-09-09 00:47:08 UTC  

Aborting healthy babies is bad for obvious reasons

2018-09-09 00:47:20 UTC  

You should want your nation to have a large population

2018-09-09 00:47:24 UTC  

I you're still confused please reread my earlier posts.

2018-09-09 00:47:27 UTC  

Yes, you may not be a materialist. But your notion of morality is purely materialist. I don't know how these two ideas are at odds.

2018-09-09 00:48:01 UTC  

My notion of morality does NOT posit that everything is reducible to matter.

2018-09-09 00:48:12 UTC  

"You just don't understand me MOM" is not an argument.

2018-09-09 00:48:13 UTC  

***What is your moral system*** @εïз irma εïз

2018-09-09 00:48:15 UTC  

It could, to be fair, but it could just as easily not

2018-09-09 00:48:23 UTC  

maybe that should highlight the difference

2018-09-09 00:48:24 UTC  

@The Big Oof have you considered the health issues associated with the mother when she has an abortion?

2018-09-09 00:48:29 UTC  

Christian objectivism.

2018-09-09 00:48:39 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз Really? That's badass

2018-09-09 00:48:43 UTC  

I had no clue

2018-09-09 00:48:50 UTC  

Why are we fighting

2018-09-09 00:49:12 UTC  

@campodin Depends

2018-09-09 00:49:25 UTC  

Zexy and I will be bffs now

2018-09-09 00:49:30 UTC  

Depends on what?

2018-09-09 00:50:09 UTC  

Unrelated to Ayn Rand.