Message from Porpoise in The Right Cafe #qotd
That's why community
A good family will ensure that their children will go into society and work just like any other
Without a community they can't ensure
A lost child can still be corrected by a community
Families together can create communities
Community gives education
That is true
Family is just teaching basics to a child
Community can do the same tbh
But just because a man is lost doesn’t mean he cannot have children that will not be lost like he was
You do have a point
I'd say the family.
this is a good question.
I think the individual is the 'base unit' since it's the smallest thing that you can break a society into.
the individual is the fundamental unit of morality and law, the family of the economy, and the tribe/collective/community of politics
see that is interesting, I'd say that the community has an economy more than a family @AnarchoReign
All these systems must be analyzed with these units in mind: "does this law uphold the rights of the individual" "do these entitlement reforms strengthen family ties" "do these political reforms strengthen communal cultrual bonds
the community has an economy, but the family is the fundamental unit, if the family fails, the economy will fail in the long run
ah I see
families produce future workers, they invest in the future by nurturing the future labor force
why can it not be boiled down to the individual then
because of concern for future generations?
because and individual cannot produce babies
an individual by themselves on an island is not an economy, even a group of individuals merely trading are not a long run economy, they can't invest in the future
babies are the future investment, without them, the old can never retire and will be in constant survivor mode
till the day they die
capitalism is based around the individual, hence sub-replacement fertility rate which requires mass immigration
I would say an economy is composed of different agents using resources, so there is nothing to say that they have to replenish and reproduce. Sure, I will agree that families must prosper for us to have what we call a 'good' distribution of resources but I don't think it's necessary to examine the economy purely at that level.
ignoring the fact the social fallout of such a policy, that relies on perpetual shithold countries, and so is inherently destructive, or at least poverty is then endogenous to your model
you can't make all countries posperous, cause then you won't have an immigrant labor force to pour into your country
saying the individual is the basic unit doesn't mean that you ignore the wider picture
capitalists look at the society very often I'd say
instead of single agents
It depends, any society who's unit does not go past the individual is doomed to failure. Our society has been lasting this long because of the family being the unit, allowing for long term success, the individual being the main focus is a modern invention.
An invention derived from our consistent decadence into wholly materialistic objectives.
that's how the modern world has twisted it, but individualism originated from the concept of freedom
I'm not saying it's right to base a civilization off of it, just that it has its place
Funnily enough even a neo liberal understands that the family unit is essential https://youtu.be/MRpEV2tmYz4
the family unit, reducing the base unit of society breaks down the actual structure of society in somethign that is basically social anarchy and in itself infinitely subversive and incapable of actually cooperating