Message from Porpoise in The Right Cafe #qotd


2018-12-28 22:51:14 UTC  

That's why community

2018-12-28 22:51:38 UTC  

A good family will ensure that their children will go into society and work just like any other

2018-12-28 22:52:00 UTC  

Without a community they can't ensure

2018-12-28 22:52:20 UTC  

A lost child can still be corrected by a community

2018-12-28 22:52:30 UTC  

Families together can create communities

2018-12-28 22:52:31 UTC  

Community gives education

2018-12-28 22:52:32 UTC  

That is true

2018-12-28 22:53:24 UTC  

Family is just teaching basics to a child

2018-12-28 22:53:34 UTC  

Community can do the same tbh

2018-12-28 22:53:48 UTC  

But just because a man is lost doesn’t mean he cannot have children that will not be lost like he was

2018-12-28 22:53:55 UTC  

You do have a point

2018-12-28 23:22:07 UTC  

I'd say the family.

2018-12-28 23:22:21 UTC  

this is a good question.

2018-12-28 23:22:38 UTC  

I think the individual is the 'base unit' since it's the smallest thing that you can break a society into.

2018-12-28 23:23:01 UTC  

the individual is the fundamental unit of morality and law, the family of the economy, and the tribe/collective/community of politics

2018-12-28 23:23:52 UTC  

see that is interesting, I'd say that the community has an economy more than a family @AnarchoReign

2018-12-28 23:24:08 UTC  

All these systems must be analyzed with these units in mind: "does this law uphold the rights of the individual" "do these entitlement reforms strengthen family ties" "do these political reforms strengthen communal cultrual bonds

2018-12-28 23:24:22 UTC  

@Porpoise so did the commie, look where they ended up

2018-12-28 23:24:33 UTC  

lol

2018-12-28 23:24:53 UTC  

the community has an economy, but the family is the fundamental unit, if the family fails, the economy will fail in the long run

2018-12-28 23:25:03 UTC  

ah I see

2018-12-28 23:25:17 UTC  

families produce future workers, they invest in the future by nurturing the future labor force

2018-12-28 23:25:21 UTC  

why can it not be boiled down to the individual then

2018-12-28 23:25:35 UTC  

because of concern for future generations?

2018-12-28 23:25:36 UTC  

because and individual cannot produce babies

2018-12-28 23:26:11 UTC  

an individual by themselves on an island is not an economy, even a group of individuals merely trading are not a long run economy, they can't invest in the future

2018-12-28 23:26:42 UTC  

babies are the future investment, without them, the old can never retire and will be in constant survivor mode

2018-12-28 23:26:46 UTC  

till the day they die

2018-12-28 23:27:52 UTC  

capitalism is based around the individual, hence sub-replacement fertility rate which requires mass immigration

2018-12-28 23:28:25 UTC  

I would say an economy is composed of different agents using resources, so there is nothing to say that they have to replenish and reproduce. Sure, I will agree that families must prosper for us to have what we call a 'good' distribution of resources but I don't think it's necessary to examine the economy purely at that level.

2018-12-28 23:29:07 UTC  

ignoring the fact the social fallout of such a policy, that relies on perpetual shithold countries, and so is inherently destructive, or at least poverty is then endogenous to your model

2018-12-28 23:29:35 UTC  

you can't make all countries posperous, cause then you won't have an immigrant labor force to pour into your country

2018-12-28 23:30:06 UTC  

saying the individual is the basic unit doesn't mean that you ignore the wider picture

2018-12-28 23:30:29 UTC  

capitalists look at the society very often I'd say

2018-12-28 23:30:37 UTC  

instead of single agents

2018-12-29 00:51:59 UTC  

It depends, any society who's unit does not go past the individual is doomed to failure. Our society has been lasting this long because of the family being the unit, allowing for long term success, the individual being the main focus is a modern invention.

2018-12-29 00:53:15 UTC  

An invention derived from our consistent decadence into wholly materialistic objectives.

2018-12-29 00:54:04 UTC  

that's how the modern world has twisted it, but individualism originated from the concept of freedom

2018-12-29 00:54:25 UTC  

I'm not saying it's right to base a civilization off of it, just that it has its place

2018-12-29 00:54:38 UTC  

Funnily enough even a neo liberal understands that the family unit is essential https://youtu.be/MRpEV2tmYz4

2018-12-29 12:55:20 UTC  

the family unit, reducing the base unit of society breaks down the actual structure of society in somethign that is basically social anarchy and in itself infinitely subversive and incapable of actually cooperating