Message from @JogaFlame

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2018-12-28 22:49:36 UTC  

It can

2018-12-28 22:49:38 UTC  

An individual can't succeed

2018-12-28 22:49:48 UTC  

A individual can succeed though

2018-12-28 22:49:52 UTC  

A community can succeed through information

2018-12-28 22:50:01 UTC  

Not as a society

2018-12-28 22:50:06 UTC  

All units can succeed on its own

2018-12-28 22:50:20 UTC  

For this society to work you need to rely on each other

2018-12-28 22:50:59 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-28 22:51:14 UTC  

That's why community

2018-12-28 22:51:38 UTC  

A good family will ensure that their children will go into society and work just like any other

2018-12-28 22:52:00 UTC  

Without a community they can't ensure

2018-12-28 22:52:20 UTC  

A lost child can still be corrected by a community

2018-12-28 22:52:30 UTC  

Families together can create communities

2018-12-28 22:52:31 UTC  

Community gives education

2018-12-28 22:52:32 UTC  

That is true

2018-12-28 22:53:24 UTC  

Family is just teaching basics to a child

2018-12-28 22:53:34 UTC  

Community can do the same tbh

2018-12-28 22:53:48 UTC  

But just because a man is lost doesn’t mean he cannot have children that will not be lost like he was

2018-12-28 22:53:55 UTC  

You do have a point

2018-12-28 23:22:07 UTC  

I'd say the family.

2018-12-28 23:22:21 UTC  

this is a good question.

2018-12-28 23:22:38 UTC  

I think the individual is the 'base unit' since it's the smallest thing that you can break a society into.

2018-12-28 23:23:01 UTC  

the individual is the fundamental unit of morality and law, the family of the economy, and the tribe/collective/community of politics

2018-12-28 23:23:52 UTC  

see that is interesting, I'd say that the community has an economy more than a family @AnarchoReign

2018-12-28 23:24:08 UTC  

All these systems must be analyzed with these units in mind: "does this law uphold the rights of the individual" "do these entitlement reforms strengthen family ties" "do these political reforms strengthen communal cultrual bonds

2018-12-28 23:24:22 UTC  

@Porpoise so did the commie, look where they ended up

2018-12-28 23:24:33 UTC  

lol

2018-12-28 23:24:53 UTC  

the community has an economy, but the family is the fundamental unit, if the family fails, the economy will fail in the long run

2018-12-28 23:25:03 UTC  

ah I see

2018-12-28 23:25:17 UTC  

families produce future workers, they invest in the future by nurturing the future labor force

2018-12-28 23:25:21 UTC  

why can it not be boiled down to the individual then

2018-12-28 23:25:35 UTC  

because of concern for future generations?

2018-12-28 23:25:36 UTC  

because and individual cannot produce babies

2018-12-28 23:26:11 UTC  

an individual by themselves on an island is not an economy, even a group of individuals merely trading are not a long run economy, they can't invest in the future

2018-12-28 23:26:42 UTC  

babies are the future investment, without them, the old can never retire and will be in constant survivor mode

2018-12-28 23:26:46 UTC  

till the day they die

2018-12-28 23:27:52 UTC  

capitalism is based around the individual, hence sub-replacement fertility rate which requires mass immigration

2018-12-28 23:28:25 UTC  

I would say an economy is composed of different agents using resources, so there is nothing to say that they have to replenish and reproduce. Sure, I will agree that families must prosper for us to have what we call a 'good' distribution of resources but I don't think it's necessary to examine the economy purely at that level.

2018-12-28 23:29:07 UTC  

ignoring the fact the social fallout of such a policy, that relies on perpetual shithold countries, and so is inherently destructive, or at least poverty is then endogenous to your model

2018-12-28 23:29:35 UTC  

you can't make all countries posperous, cause then you won't have an immigrant labor force to pour into your country

2018-12-28 23:30:06 UTC  

saying the individual is the basic unit doesn't mean that you ignore the wider picture