Still pretty fucking similar lol, all of them are gay.

@The Big Oof theyre pretty close to socialist considering the only other realistically achievable type is a socialist dictatorship which typically fails the whole point altogether

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No

Socialism is social ownership

Social democracies are capitalist with heavy market regulation

That's a huge leap

Germany is a social democracy

has been since the end off ww2

Saying "they're pretty close to socialism" is just completely wrong

@The Big Oof soc Dems are socialists

Socialists are communists

communists are socialists

but not the other way around

the point of socialism is communism though

social democracy is just socialism for a country where a socialist can't get their way

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@campodin it's still socialism, or always leads to it

@Doctor Anon it’s like “we wanna be socialist but socialism is shit, so let’s alter the whole definition just to call ourselves it”

They're still shit socialists, i don't know why you have to buy into their lies that they aren't, they literally just change the labels around and change small things, at their core they are all socialists and many socialist countries have failed when they went too far.

What is the difference between Venezuela, Brazil when those are social democracy inspired countries, how are their failures any different to similar ideologies in Germany?

This

Venezuela is not a social democracy wtf

They're Democratic Socialists

Those are two different things, and the difference is greater than the names would imply

Social Democrats believe in private property and business still drives the economy

Democratic socialists believe in social ownership

That's a huge difference

That's the difference between "Germany and Venezuela"

why do you think social democracy is also called "Rhine Capitalism?"

@! Blanc Spooky Lowee

I don't even how one would think Venezuela is a social democracy, unless there is a misunderstanding of what social democratic economics are, the economy is fuled by private enterprise

and think it's interchangeable with Democratic Socialism

First of all, let's back up here, what is "Socialism?" Do you think it's interchangeable with "social programs"?

Funny, when I talk to most socialists they claim Venezuela isn't socialist for the same reasons you claim social democrats aren't. It is capitalist and people still have private property

I know I'm bringing up wikipedia, but this is a good description of social democratic economics @campodin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

also

That statement

we can demonstrate in Germany that people have private property rights and that it's driven by business....

While I can and have argued why social programs are socialist in nature, the fact is social democrats still turn certain aspects of the economy public which can be nothing but socialist

We can demonstrate that Venezuelans do not have private property rights and that their economy is not driven by private enterprise

Do you think Venezuela is driven by private enterprise?