Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

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2018-12-03 04:24:30 UTC  

etc

2018-12-03 04:32:26 UTC  

identity is a concept made by people to understand things better
for me i think the ship is the same, even when it was still sailing it most likely had to be repaired at least once or twice, but its still the same ship

2018-12-03 10:32:40 UTC  

I would say it depends on the rate of change

2018-12-03 10:32:52 UTC  

Much like our bodies, the ship changes over time

2018-12-03 10:35:55 UTC  

Our bodies grow and change shape, every 7 years every single atom in your body has been replaces, yet you retain the memories of your past self. The real question lies when you consider consciousness, are you physically the same person? No, not at all. Are your thoughts the same? Most likely not. Has your Identity changed? Not according to the state and your family. This is where I think the problem comes from, It is the perception from others that solidifies you as you, not yourself.

2018-12-03 11:03:08 UTC  

i rmb having seen this variant:
the teleporter machine
In the near future some clever people build a machine that teleports you from one place to another, you can travel great distances. It works by scanning your body, destroying it and reconstructing it piece by piece elsewhere.
is that still you?

2018-12-03 18:45:19 UTC  

you guys are starting to hit what makes you you and the concept and nature of consciousness itself. I get the sense that you guys need to establish consciousness first and then move on to identity.

Generally form my view, psychologically we have both individual identity and a social identity, each being equally important and equally important to our purpose. identity forms from the most primordial, it must be based upon something and that begins the formation of "you". However you as a concept existed before however the nature of you is based on these in order to root the concept of you in the context of your current existence.

Generally if you were broken down molecule by molecule and rebuilt, you and everything you were is continued and the concept of you remains the same. The barriers remain the same. However these will be changed if we change the nature of the physical medium that is "you". In essence changing the barriers and what encapsulates you. But what if that too was not true and instead meant that your physical form changed however the internal you, particularly that which concept of you started, is the immutable you. rather only the social you, the you that others percieve changes and as such social identity changes rather than individual immutable identity?

This is a flow of ideas so i may have gone over things you guys already have or might simply not make sense.

2018-12-05 00:21:51 UTC  

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2018-12-05 01:01:35 UTC  

looks like there are fairly common (and stable through time) phenotype, and races are real

2018-12-05 04:06:20 UTC  

If your in Canada consider coming out to protest the UN Compact on migration in Ottawa this Satuday

2018-12-05 04:06:35 UTC  

Antifa is going to be there so we need people to show up

2018-12-05 06:04:07 UTC  

Generally how People look d9es not repeat So exactly which is only common for twins. The chances are beyond astronomical. Alternatively were looking at inbreeding of some sorts

2018-12-05 18:14:55 UTC  

Fascism is a form of socalism

2018-12-05 18:14:56 UTC  

change my mind

2018-12-05 18:15:25 UTC  
2018-12-05 18:15:32 UTC  

this is a necessary first step

2018-12-05 18:15:39 UTC  

Socialism is often conflated with heavy market regulation

2018-12-05 18:15:40 UTC  

Where the means of production are collectively owned by the state or workers

2018-12-05 18:15:46 UTC  

That's accurate

2018-12-05 18:15:48 UTC  

But it's not as black and white as that

2018-12-05 18:16:01 UTC  

extremely heavy economic intervention by the state

2018-12-05 18:16:15 UTC  

Market intervention is not socialism

2018-12-05 18:16:21 UTC  

Not market intervention

2018-12-05 18:16:24 UTC  

heavy market intervention

2018-12-05 18:16:27 UTC  

Take Venezeula for example

2018-12-05 18:16:49 UTC  

Fascism doesn't seek to abolish private property

2018-12-05 18:17:03 UTC  

The state owns the property

2018-12-05 18:17:05 UTC  

in fascism

2018-12-05 18:17:06 UTC  

In Mussolini's case, it was a mixture of state capitalism with state socialism

2018-12-05 18:17:11 UTC  

No

2018-12-05 18:17:12 UTC  

Mussolini wasn't a man of his word

2018-12-05 18:17:14 UTC  

Not really

2018-12-05 18:17:16 UTC  

it depends

2018-12-05 18:17:21 UTC  

he didn't follow fascism as he should have

2018-12-05 18:17:26 UTC  

and state socialism is just socialism

2018-12-05 18:17:34 UTC  

state capitalism does not exist

2018-12-05 18:17:37 UTC  

Hitler for instance was pro-private property, but he winded up betraying national socialism in the end

2018-12-05 18:17:39 UTC  

Yes it does