Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

Discord ID: 519942677169438764


2018-12-05 18:24:27 UTC  

depending on how they are run of course

2018-12-05 18:24:34 UTC  

As in theres strong state intervention

2018-12-05 18:24:36 UTC  

let me show you

2018-12-05 18:24:39 UTC  

which is not at all how Nazi Germany was run btw

2018-12-05 18:24:48 UTC  

These would be socialist countries

2018-12-05 18:24:51 UTC  

Even if that's your definition of socialism

2018-12-05 18:24:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/519942262164291586/Screen_Shot_2018-12-05_at_18.24.41.png

2018-12-05 18:24:59 UTC  

Nazi Germany was a free-enterprise driven economy

2018-12-05 18:25:10 UTC  

These would be capitalist

2018-12-05 18:25:13 UTC  

Hitler allowed businesses to do whatever they wanted to a certain point

2018-12-05 18:25:14 UTC  

wait we'll get there

2018-12-05 18:25:22 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/519942373636046852/Screen_Shot_2018-12-05_at_18.25.01.png

2018-12-05 18:25:27 UTC  

Ok so

2018-12-05 18:26:01 UTC  

fascism is not anti market, it basically proposes the market to work in favour of native population rather than international investors and banks

2018-12-05 18:26:05 UTC  

^

2018-12-05 18:26:10 UTC  

Wait wait

2018-12-05 18:26:13 UTC  

we're not there yet

2018-12-05 18:26:18 UTC  

Another thing I'd like to clarrify

2018-12-05 18:26:21 UTC  

National socialism is not fascism

2018-12-05 18:26:23 UTC  

but a form of it

2018-12-05 18:26:34 UTC  

But here is why national socialism is a form of socialism

2018-12-05 18:26:34 UTC  

Yes, but it is being used as an example

2018-12-05 18:26:35 UTC  

Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism

-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80% I believe.

-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
"

-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.

-Hitler Nationalised healthcare, churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.

-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.

2018-12-05 18:26:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/519942766642462720/Screen_Shot_2018-12-05_at_18.26.47.png

2018-12-05 18:26:58 UTC  

Fascism is anti market

2018-12-05 18:27:06 UTC  

The German Labour front was not what you think

2018-12-05 18:27:07 UTC  

strong state intervention in the economy

2018-12-05 18:27:11 UTC  

it was there to force people to work

2018-12-05 18:27:11 UTC  

I know what it was

2018-12-05 18:27:17 UTC  

correct

2018-12-05 18:27:18 UTC  

collectivist

2018-12-05 18:27:47 UTC  

You just outlined a corporatist economy above

2018-12-05 18:27:55 UTC  

Thats a national socialist economy

2018-12-05 18:27:58 UTC  

a form of socialism

2018-12-05 18:27:58 UTC  

yes

2018-12-05 18:28:07 UTC  

Corporatism is not socialism

2018-12-05 18:28:10 UTC  

Corporationist would be different , as it would not be repressed

2018-12-05 18:28:14 UTC  

yes I know

2018-12-05 18:28:17 UTC  

this is national socialist

2018-12-05 18:28:28 UTC  

not corporationist

2018-12-05 18:28:31 UTC  

`Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing`