It is corporatism

yeah I know just clarifying

A somewhat dirty definition of state socialism is when the state owns the means of production and redistributes everything

which isn't the same as state capitalism

that is socialism

in itself

yes

no need to call it state

Ok so we got that

Do you agree even if the means of production are private , if there is heavy state intervention in the market. It would be considered socialism?

like Venezuela

Because if you look at business freedom in Venezeula, it's below repressed...

and repressed is socialist

it depends on what is being seized. If small enterprise is allowed but large enterprises are nationalized, it's more or less market socialism

depending on how they are run of course

As in theres strong state intervention

let me show you

which is not at all how Nazi Germany was run btw

These would be socialist countries

Even if that's your definition of socialism

Nazi Germany was a free-enterprise driven economy

These would be capitalist

Hitler allowed businesses to do whatever they wanted to a certain point

wait we'll get there

Ok so

fascism is not anti market, it basically proposes the market to work in favour of native population rather than international investors and banks

^

Wait wait

we're not there yet

Another thing I'd like to clarrify

National socialism is not fascism

but a form of it

But here is why national socialism is a form of socialism

Yes, but it is being used as an example

Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism

-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80% I believe.

-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
"

-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.

-Hitler Nationalised healthcare, churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.

-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.

Fascism is anti market

The German Labour front was not what you think

strong state intervention in the economy