Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
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first of all
Wait wait
lets define that
>the market was heavily regulated
wrong
define
state capitalism
You can't introduce a series of points and then try to force someone to address a specific point.
Ok ignore them for now
If you do that, I'm just not going to bother
Define state capitalism
We'll get onto it later
I'd say a simple definition is a system where the state owns commercial, for-profit enterprises that are generally ran like any other business is, just owned by the state
Then thats socialism
state and capitalism is an oxymoron
as capitalism is a free market
free from state intervention
or that is corporationism
It's corporatism
Not socialism
Right
Yes correct
yes
Ok now state socialism
I'm not disagreeing
define that
It is corporatism
yeah I know just clarifying
A somewhat dirty definition of state socialism is when the state owns the means of production and redistributes everything
which isn't the same as state capitalism
that is socialism
in itself
yes
no need to call it state
Ok so we got that
Do you agree even if the means of production are private , if there is heavy state intervention in the market. It would be considered socialism?
like Venezuela
Because if you look at business freedom in Venezeula, it's below repressed...
and repressed is socialist
it depends on what is being seized. If small enterprise is allowed but large enterprises are nationalized, it's more or less market socialism