That dude isn’t 100% right

sounds like he's close to being 100% wrong then

if palestine wants to be a soveirgn nation

it needs to negotiate with Israel

They make laws for their area and have international recognition from a majority of the world

that's not how it works.

when going by individual recognition

it's a state only within the context of its relationship with that country

if it wants to be a soveirgn state

it needs to be voted in like Israel

and have control over its borders

and it'll only get that

once it negotiates with Israel

The UN says that they don’t have the authority to recognize a state or government

they had no issue when it came to Israel

or any other mid eastern state created at that time

if the legal opinion has since changed

then it now goes by individual bilateral basis

Being voted in has nothing to do with being a state itself. The UN is independent of the existence of states

in which case, it's only a soveirgn nation

once Israel recognizes it

which brings it back to the original conclusion

that it needs to negotiate with Israel

your guys' argument is that the UN has no role here

and that Israel should recognize it because some other country does

which is a new principle

I can as easily argue that those nations shouldn't recognize Palestine because Israel doesn't

Palestine is a state if we use the definition of wikipedia, which I would agree with

"In international law, a sovereign state (or sovereign country) is a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood that a sovereign state is neither dependent on nor subjected to any other power or state.[2]"

it doesn't fit any of it

` juridical entity` - can Abbas try Gazan war criminals?

`that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area.` - When was the last time Abbas has called off Gazan missiles ?

`as having a permanent population` - this isn't true according even the Palestinians, with them claiming ever growing nth generation refugees

nor is true, because they claim the population of Israeli Arabs

` defined territory` - only if you forget about the West Bank and the northern territory contested between Israel, Syria and Palestine

` one government` - again, this exists in name only. Gaza and West Bank are ran seperately

`and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.` - if Abbas chose to negotiate with Israel, Gaza would not follow

`It is also normally understood that a sovereign state is neither dependent on nor subjected to any other power or state` - Is this one not obvious?

did you bother reading it ?

the fact that it doesn't satisfy the last item is clear to everyone from Bibi to Hezbollah

the point the other guy was making was that palestine didnt even exist
I'll agree with you that they are barely a country given their situation, but in international relations recognizing a country is enough to make a country legitimate, at least in a bilateral basis.