You could say that about a bunch of other weak countries tho

Article XII of the Oslo II Accord states:
″In order to guarantee public order and internal security for the Palestinians of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, the [Palestinian] Council shall establish a strong police force as set out in Article XIV below. Israel shall continue to carry the responsibility for defense against external threats, including the responsibility for protecting the Egyptian and Jordanian borders, and for defense against external threats from the sea and from the air, as well as the responsibility for overall security of Israelis and Settlements, for the purpose of safeguarding their internal security and public order, and will have all the powers to take the steps necessary to meet this responsibility.″

Luxembourg’s gets invaded, it’s probably gonna call France

except it's not legally bound to call France

like "palestine" is

But that wouldn’t inherently not make it a nation though

I don't have to disqualify it to be a nation

you have to qualify it as one

and according to that dude's definition

it's not doing well

That dude isn’t 100% right

sounds like he's close to being 100% wrong then

if palestine wants to be a soveirgn nation

it needs to negotiate with Israel

They make laws for their area and have international recognition from a majority of the world

that's not how it works.

when going by individual recognition

it's a state only within the context of its relationship with that country

if it wants to be a soveirgn state

it needs to be voted in like Israel

and have control over its borders

and it'll only get that

once it negotiates with Israel

The UN says that they don’t have the authority to recognize a state or government

they had no issue when it came to Israel

or any other mid eastern state created at that time

if the legal opinion has since changed

then it now goes by individual bilateral basis

Being voted in has nothing to do with being a state itself. The UN is independent of the existence of states

in which case, it's only a soveirgn nation

once Israel recognizes it

which brings it back to the original conclusion

that it needs to negotiate with Israel

your guys' argument is that the UN has no role here

and that Israel should recognize it because some other country does

which is a new principle

I can as easily argue that those nations shouldn't recognize Palestine because Israel doesn't

Palestine is a state if we use the definition of wikipedia, which I would agree with

"In international law, a sovereign state (or sovereign country) is a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood that a sovereign state is neither dependent on nor subjected to any other power or state.[2]"

it doesn't fit any of it

` juridical entity` - can Abbas try Gazan war criminals?